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Ukraine weapons thread General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 358684 views.

Msg 1788 of 2443

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From: gatnerd

10-May

In regards to Patriot and its current abilities, this is one of the best open source discussions out there. This was posted earlier but who knows where given the length of the the thread.

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Patriot & Its Effect On The Ukraine War Feat. A Patriot Instructor @habitual_linecrosser?

Hey guys! I have teamed up with Sergeant Long, Habitual Line Crosser. Currently serving in the US Army as an Air Defense Artilleryman, MIM-104 Patriot Instru...

Kinzal interception being confirmed by US:

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Moshe Schwartz on Twitter

#BREAKING: Pentagon press secretary Gen. Patrick S. Ryder confirms Ukraine's claim that it downed a Russian hyperso... https://t.co/tl8214mAb1

At these rates Ukraine will be left without barrel tubes and sam launchers before it runs out of missiles and shells ,With over 20 hits in first 10 days of the month this is on track for record 60+ hits on SAM and SPGs this month.

So far 251 armored vehicles and artillery pieces hit by Lancets

Today stated with 2 Gvozdika SPG hit

Edited 10 May 2023 4:49 by Mr. T (MrT4)

Msg 1790 of 2443 to Mr. T (MrT4)MrT4

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From: gatnerd

10-May

Yes the Lancets have really proven to be Russias most effective tactical PGM.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/search/?q=lancet&restrict_sr=1&sr_nsfw=

And for lessons for future wars, really show the danger and need to develop widespread counters to higher end loitering munitions.

Is there currently an estimate of the cost for the Lancet?

Edited 10 May 2023 5:05 by gatnerd

Msg 1791 of 2443

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From: gatnerd

10-May

France looking into an affordable anti tank missile based on lessons learned in Ukraine:

https://www.opex360.com/2023/05/09/larmee-de-terre-veut-un-nouveau-missile-anti-char-abordable-et-repondant-a-des-besoins-precis/

Speculation is this could be NLAW, or the MBDA Enforcer, or perhaps some other option such as the Spike-SR:

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/sofins-2023-mbda-readies-enforcer-for-delivery

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From: EmericD

10-May

gatnerd said:
Speculation is this could be NLAW, or the MBDA Enforcer, or perhaps some other option such as the Spike-SR:

Or the Eryx missile, which was exactly designed for mass-production & cheap cost. Unfortunately, the '90s were not the good timeline for producing a low-cost, high volume antitank missile...

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From: renatohm

10-May

Electronics that would be top notch back then are considered useless today.

It's a lot easier to make a PGM these days, but people insist on asking for one single weapon to be effective against satellites, submarines, aircraft carriers, deeply buried bunkers and whatnot - this makes stuff expensive.

Maybe all that is needed is to revive and upgrade something like the Armbrust, Eryx (you mentioned it), or something else.

Msg 1794 of 2443 to renatohmrenatohm

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From: gatnerd

10-May

The NLAW is a bit of that, pretty straightforward single purpose anti-tank design. For a semi-guided ATGM $30-40k is considered 'cheap.'

By comparison I just read a report that the Javelin's new Lightweight CLU is $350k, which is totally insane. Worse, only about 180 LCLU's are made each year.

I wonder how much the self contained SPIKE-SR costs?

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In terms of cheap ATGM, I wonder whether a short range, shoulder launched drone would be cheaper then a ATGM? Like a Switchblade 600 that only has to be able to fly 1-2km?