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Ukraine weapons thread General Military Discussion
From: gatnerd
11-Sep
Mr. T (MrT4) said:The problem is how much do you allow AI to kill on its own , ethical limitations, not technological
I suspect at least in the West, the limitation will be AI is allowed to target military vehicles autonomously, but not individual humans.
Similar to the capability the Brimstone missile has now, as well as other past weapons that could distinguish from civilian vs military vehicles/ships.
That said, this would need some sort of geofencing for Ukraine, as it fields a number of basically identical systems to Russia.
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
11-Sep
Brimstone has no capability of IFF , particularly in Ukraine where both sides use much the same gear brimstone is of limited use. You would actually need IFF systems built into every platform to enable AI work past very narrow coordiantes. Even with IFF Western Ad shot down more blue force aircraft than the enemy in wars so far ,Ukraine AD vs aircraft ,more than 30+% of the shutdowns are blue on blue,
Currently and for some time to come AI will locate targets, inform a human operator, who then decides the course of action an AI is only free to act on the command given by a human operator, but i wouldn't count on much ethical restraint once things get going, its easier to just spin the narrative to fit the desired effect propaganda machine is still unrivaled.
- Edited 11 September 2023 8:27 by Mr. T (MrT4)
From: nincomp
11-Sep
Mr. T (MrT4) said:Tracking directional antena is typicaly on the ground station , as its a bit to much weight and size to use on small drones.
The drone-mounted receiver might be the analog to the ground station, or, potentially the opposite, something that shields the receiver from signals coming from the wrong direction. I am more of a mechanical thinker so I tend to picture a swiveling device, but there is probably an easier way to accomplish this electronically.
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
11-Sep
As you can imagine even with directional conection a FPV signal that is at 0.6W can easily be drowned by jammer that is 100+x its power
But yes you are correct there are ways to protect somewhat from jamming, interesting way on GPS is to have ring fences around the GPS receiver prevent the ground-based interference from spilling over the fence, but GPS is looking up , with drones that are mostly LOS its much harder to protect from jamming, for now typical approach is to use non-comercial frequencies that are mostly covered by all the off the shelf jammers.
I have seen Russians are now tinkering with adapting base targeting or search radar antena on Pantsir and Tor to act as an extremely strong jammer against drones, some of the frequency's radar works one are close enough that they think they could add a directional jamming function of extreme power, able to jam a drone at 20km without building a new system just adding functionality to the existing system. (remember when F35 was advertised to be able to use its AESA radar as Jammer , this is similar)
- Edited 11 September 2023 16:09 by Mr. T (MrT4)
From: farmplinker2
12-Sep
One thing I have wondered about is if we're going to see the elimination of IFF for MANPADS. With the deployment of more countermeasures for aircraft, that would help reduce reaction time for the target.
From: EmericD
12-Sep
farmplinker2 said:One thing I have wondered about is if we're going to see the elimination of IFF for MANPADS. With the deployment of more countermeasures for aircraft, that would help reduce reaction time for the target.
Ground troops are now using IR/UV "guns" designed to replicate the launch caracteristics of a MANPADS, in order to trigger the automatic countermeasures of aircrafts and choppers.
Once the contermeasures are depleted, you can launch a MANPAD, or just achieve a "mission kill" because planes tends to abort their mission once the countermeasures are out.
From: gatnerd
12-Sep
EmericD said:Ground troops are now using IR/UV "guns" designed to replicate the launch caracteristics of a MANPADS, in order to trigger the automatic countermeasures of aircrafts and choppers.
Fascinating and ingenious
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