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Ukraine weapons thread General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 213223 views.

Msg 522 of 1484

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From: schnuersi

26/4/22

The big new today is that Germany will now supply Gepard SPAA to Ukraine.

Which means now the discussion about direct delivery of heavy weapons has come to an end: Germany is delivering and will train Ukrainian soldiers.

DW.COM

Germany will deliver anti-aircraft tanks to Ukraine | DW | 26.04.2022

After weeks of mounting pressure, the German government will now supply heavy military equipment to Ukraine. DW takes a look at how Berlin's position has changed since the beginning of the war in Ukraine.

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

26/4/22

You can imagine one captured is not one that blew someone up ,no one claimed its the exact mine, in what scenario is a retreating force not leaving mines set up behind? and which tracks used by armor are not used by locals? Armor still mostly uses public roads !

Edited 26 April 2022 15:35 by Mr. T (MrT4)

Msg 524 of 1484 to Mr. T (MrT4)MrT4

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From: schnuersi

26/4/22

Mr. T (MrT4) said:
You can imagine one captured is not one that blew someone up ,no one claimed its the exact mine

You wrote it was found. Which is not the same as caputed. Found suggests that it was found deployed and defused.

Mr. T (MrT4) said:
in what scenario is a retreating force not leaving mines set up behind?

That is pretty common. Its effective and simple. I would mine allmost every square meter of ground I would have to give up as long as I have mines and any perimeter of any defensive position. Mines are one of the most effective anti armor tools.

Mr. T (MrT4) said:
and which tracks used by armor are not used by locals?

In allmost any case. Especially this one. The Ukrainian locas would have fled and chances are high they are aware that mines have been planted. Since the locals that have not fled are actively involved in the defensive effort. The Russian invasion troops also do not allow the locals to move around as they please. So the story makes no sense. BTW where is any evidence? Pictures of the destroyed tractor? Witness reports? Anything substancial and at least half believable?

Msg 525 of 1484 to schnuersischnuersi

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From: stancrist

26/4/22

schnuersi said:
Found suggests that it was found deployed and defused.

Nope. It could just as well have been found undeployed, new and unused, left behind by soldiers as they hurriedly departed the area.

There have been other stories of weapons and/or ammo found abandoned by Russians. Mr. T's original comment was perfectly okay.

Msg 526 of 1484 to taschoenetaschoene

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From: stancrist

26/4/22

taschoene said:
It's...a rocket with a HEAT warhead...

Yes, that's what I said.

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BTW, I was just attempting to make a little joke. I learned many years ago about off-route mines. Using a HEAT rocket in this manner was taught by the US Army during WW2 (see 18:21-18:45 in https://youtu.be/IRPsxgOozqk?t=1101 ).

Nevertheless, it has always seemed rather silly to me for a remotely-fired rocket like PARM 2 to be called a "mine".

Edited 27 April 2022 0:43 by stancrist

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Msg 528 of 1484 to Mr. T (MrT4)MrT4

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From: gatnerd

26/4/22

Mr. T (MrT4) said:
One wonders how much of the supplied heavy weapons can actually be used in combat, heavy armor particularly anything tracked needs a bunch of maintenance to keep running and some of the supplied gear has not moved at all in a decade or so

That is reportedly a main rationale for the US sending towed artillery pieces as opposed to SPGs - low maintenance. Hitch one up behind a Ukrainian tractor and its gtg.

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More broadly these issues of maintenance do speak to the use of technicals / armed civilian vehicles for smaller countries defense forces due to their higher reliability and simplified logistics.

These little armed off road golf carts are likely to have more tank/ifv kills then these older donated tanks, while also being much easier to hide from air attacks.

A lightly armored Toyota (armored against small arms and shell fragments) with a CROWS RWS would be a compelling option as well. Either with a .50 + Javelin or even a 30x113mm as seen here: