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Ukraine weapons thread General Military Discussion
From: autogun
24/2/22
The Fort-221 claimed to be used by Ukrainian special forces looks interesting, if true:
"An Israeli IMI TAR-21 built under license by RPC Fort in Vinnytsia and design to chamber the 5.45×39mm round instead of the standard 5.56×45mm NATO round."
Comments?
From: mpopenker
25/2/22
For some officially unknown reason IWI withdrew all its manufacturing licenses from FORT about a year ago
Unofficially (rumors) it was linked to QC issues, but also may have something with arming neo-nazi units with Fort weapons
As for 'defense', official position is that Donbass area has a significant number of Russian citizens (and people who consider themselves Russians rather than Ukrainians), and they were subjects of continuous shelling and attacks from Ukraine for 8 years
Another issue that is often overlooked is that the western Ukraine has a significant number of people with Hungarian passports, and, historically, these lands were Hungary before the WW2
Poland also has claims (not officially, of cause) for certain parts of Ukraine, which were annexed during the communist regime
So, in this case, the much hailed de-communisation could be a tricky business
From: schnuersi
25/2/22
Since the war in the Ukraine is a real all out war faught with combined arms small arms like rifles don't really play a significant role.
Its all about heavy weapons. AFV, tanks and artillery.
I also doubt we will get any substancial information until the fighting ends.
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
25/2/22
Considering Russian forces are still very much avoiding collateral damage conducting sort of Western style invasion, small arms are definitely more in play than they would be if this was not the case , VDV holding that Airport in Kiev suburbs must have seen the most intense small arms action so far.
One thing is a bit baffling that the net is not flooded with Javelin launches,not a single one so far.
From: schnuersi
25/2/22
Mr. T (MrT4) said:Considering Russian forces are still very much avoiding collateral damage
If by that you mean they have not shelled Kiev... yet.
We don't know anything that is going on in the Ukraine. Kiev currently is the only place where some information that is at least somewhat realiable comes from. For the simple fact that this is the place where some Western journalists are.
Mr. T (MrT4) said:VDV holding that Airport in Kiev suburbs must have seen the most intense small arms action so far.
Do you have any reliable information on that or are you simply speculating?
My current level of information is: there are russian paratroopers at the airport. What is going on there and what equipment the paratroopers have, what the Ukrainias are using to fight them is completly in the dark.
The VDV has mechanised units and the ability to deploy them by fixed or rotary wing aircraft. So there could be AFV involved.
Mr. T (MrT4) said:One thing is a bit baffling that the net is not flooded with Javelin launches,not a single one so far.
That is not baffeling at all.
What is going on in Ukraine has nothing to do with the COIN and LIC we mostly witnessed in the last two decades. We talk HIC between two industrialised nations. Very combined arms centric. That means long egangement distances and lots of heavy weapons. The people caught in the fighting simply don't have the time to take pictures or make videos. Even if they do chances are they go squish befor they can upload. Which would require an internet connection in the first place. Keep in mind the Russians are winning and pushing the Ukrainians back. They have controll of the battlefield. It is very unlikley that the Russian military will make footage of them taking losses available.
Furthermore the Javelins have only been delivered recently. It is very likely that they have not been distributed and the troops not been trained yet.
From: gatnerd
25/2/22
Some variety of tripod mounted recoiless rifle (incorrectly called missiles) being employed here:
WW3 Russia Vs Ukraine on Twitter
BREAKING FOOTAGE: Armed Forces of Ukraine launch missiles at the Russian forces. . . . #UkraineRussiaConflict... https://t.co/SqdfMD0Guf
Read more from TwitterCrates of AK's being handed out to civilians, aparently a part of a widespread populace arming campaign. I imagine after the dust settles a few of these will end up in Europe.
Thomas van Linge on Twitter
#Ukraine 
: weapons being distributed among defense units in #Kyiv as locals prepare to defend the capital from th... https://t.co/GG4GfAgWO3
- Edited 25 February 2022 10:06 by gatnerd
From: gatnerd
25/2/22
Illia Ponomarenko on Twitter
An AS Val taken from a dead Russian soldier https://t.co/6yzUNvfW1E
Read more from TwitterSome small arms gunfight, reportedly U's taking out a few R's
From: stancrist
25/2/22
schnuersi said:Do you have any reliable information on that or are you simply speculating?
My current level of information is: there are russian paratroopers at the airport. What is going on there and what equipment the paratroopers have, what the Ukrainias are using to fight them is completly in the dark.
Brief glimpses of some Ukrainian weapons reportedly at the airport battle: https://youtu.be/F_3L0z1lgAE?t=90
Mostly rifles. One ATGM launcher. And what appears to be a bipod-mounted, belt-fed, 12.7mm machine gun.
- Edited 25 February 2022 12:40 by stancrist