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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 188835 views.
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

21/5/22

when you read the reports from the foreign fighters returning from Ukraine most tell a much different story than is being spun by MSM, only some reports in small print weeks“

Could you suggest some of the outlets covering these stories? It would be great to get a more detailed / nuanced analysis of what’s happening on the ground, but it’s hard to know where to look.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

21/5/22

Google for couple of minutes plenty to be found . But the story they tell is much the same and very much unlike what MSM is painting. 

Two months after responding to President Volodymyr Zelensky's call, sniper Wali is back in Quebec – unscathed, although he nearly lost his life there “several times”. But most foreign fighters who have visited Ukraine like him have come away bitterly disappointed, mired in the fog of war without even having been to the front lines once.
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In the end, he himself said he only fired two bullets into windows “to scare people” and never really came within enemy firing range. Many arrive in Ukraine with their chests bulging, but leave with their tails between their legs "It's a war of machines", where the "extremely brave" Ukrainian soldiers suffer very heavy losses from shelling, but "miss many opportunities" to weaken the enemy because they lack knowledge technical military, he summarizes. “If the Ukrainians had the procedures we had in Afghanistan to communicate with the artillery, we could have caused carnage,” he believes.

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/2022-05-06/retour-du-tireur-d-elite-wali/la-guerre-c-est-une-deception-terrible.php

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

22/5/22

It is well known that the Ukrainians are not exactly thrilled by foreign people wanting to fight for them. There are good reasons for that.

They deliberatly keep foreign fighters at an arms length and do not deploy them to the frontline. They also don't pass any substancial information to them.
This of course leads to a lot of people leaving and feeling offended. Which of course has influence on their reports and the stories they tell.

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

where the "extremely brave" Ukrainian soldiers suffer very heavy losses from shelling, but "miss many opportunities" to weaken the enemy because they lack knowledge technical military, he summarizes. “If the Ukrainians had the procedures we had in Afghanistan to communicate with the artillery, we could have caused carnage,” he believes.

How does he know that if he has not been t the front line once? Because two lines above it stated exactly that. At best it is hearsay.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

22/5/22

Use the google  translate , sniper 'Wali' has been to the front lines both in the north at Irpin and Donbas and has seen combat it just turned out a bit different than he expected , mostly being on receiving end, the part you quoted he says that most foreign fighters never get to the front lines ,first Ukrainians can't integrate them ( folks that don't speak the language and many aren't even trained) , second, they are so poorly equipped many don't want to fight with what they consider no gear and for many getting shelled and bombed in the barracks was war enough.

His team mates interview

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-russia-canadian-forces-1.6443048

https://time.com/6168064/foreign-fighter-ukraine-frontline/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3v4xj/joining-ukrainian-foreign-legion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltxaSooKfhY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoKnhXnp-Zk&t=1440s

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

22/5/22

Marlets continue to be used successfully as MANPADS against UAS:

This is very cool; Polands version of the 'iMortar' lightweight commando mortar:

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

22/5/22

And just to help put artillery into perspective, a cross section of a 155mm shell - thats a lot of steel.

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

22/5/22

gatnerd said:

And just to help put artillery into perspective, a cross section of a 155mm shell - thats a lot of steel.

Fragments are the main killer with an artillery projectile. That steel will turn into thousands of deadly fragments.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

23/5/22

This hand grenade bomblet looks almost industrial grade , injection molded not 3d printed.

stancrist

From: stancrist

23/5/22

Looks like arming the grenade would be a little risky?  hushed

Taurevanime

From: Taurevanime

24/5/22

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Total number of troops in Ukraine is probably well over a Million, considering Ukraine has been drafting folks for 3 months.

Zelensky recently announced that the total number of forces stands at 700k or so. That is after three rounds of mobilizations and the fourth will likely be announced soon.

But I strongly suspect that this does not take into account the losses they have been sustaining.

The bigger issue for Ukraine though isn't going to be manpower but material. We already see them rely on civilian vehicles to move any equipment and troops around. What remains of their tank and artillery forces diminishes by the day. To say nothing of their air force which tends to get shot down whenever they manage to repair a plane back into working order and sortie out.

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