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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 158343 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

24-May

The disconnect between MSM generated reality and reality on the ground is getting a ''reality check'' as the defensive lines in Donbas break. 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

24-May

Very good article on MilitaryTimes.

Reuters has also had good coverage (my favorite of the big sources)

Russia wages all-out assault to encircle Ukraine troops in east:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-oil-embargo-in-days-ukraine-isolation-drives-russia-closer-china-2022-05-23/

stancrist

From: stancrist

24-May

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Remember GI used to sit on top of M113 not because of space and ergonomics

Yup.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

25-May

Niel Hauer is actually one of the few western reporters on front lines , rest sit in hotels Kiev and get their briefing at a daily press conference and some just make shit up . some reports sugest that access is extremely limited unlike any war before

So we had Comical Ali /Baghdad Bob  who is the new disinfo superstar?

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

25-May

An interesting development is the use of Electric Bikes / Electric Motorcycles by Ukraine for scouting / hit and run work. 

This is one of the few cases where going electric makes sense from a military standpoint; unlike motorcycles which are quite loud, these electric bikes are very quiet, sometimes quieter then a regular bicycle. And their smaller batteries make it possible for them to be more easily charged, either via the civilian power grid, or through a series of solar panels. This may prove beneficial should fuel become scarce, say in occupied area.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/eleek_and_defast_supply_electric_motorbikes_to_ukrainian_army.html

You can see how fast and quiet they are here:

First batch of Elik Atom electric bikes designed and manufactured specifically for the needs of UAF

This model was created specifically for the needs of the army, taking into account the wishes and comments of the military after testing the previous version...

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

25-May

I totally get the electric bikes for the military , but unless you got ways to recharge them in the field they end up drumped (for now it seems they use a large powerbank or 220V mains charger. , 100km range once you get off road or with some equipment drops

It looks like a local product with a Chinese powertrain  and costs about 3000Eur https://eleek.com.ua/en/item/eleek_atom_afu/

Spare powerbank.

Cesar in ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLRyaEGPkAI

Lugansk Militia clearing Ukrainian trench.

https://t.me/Z4LPR/17

https://t.me/Z4LPR/12

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26-May

Russian suicide drone used to brutal effect against a group of UA infantry; videos like this really hammer home the small drone threat and the need for SHORAD down to the squad/platoon level in the future. These are essentially 'anti-personell cruise missiles', and are very cheap to produce. 

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/zala-kyb-strike-drone-russia/

UA troops firing the Switchblade 300; these little launchers are tiny, about the size of a Japanese Knee Mortar from WW2:

Maxims continue to make a comeback; this time as a 'technical' for the lightly equipped Territorial Defense units:

French CAESAR 155mm SPG in use:

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

26-May

gatnerd said:

Russian suicide drone used to brutal effect against a group of UA infantry; videos like this really hammer home the small drone threat and the need for SHORAD down to the squad/platoon level in the future. These are essentially 'anti-personell cruise missiles', and are very cheap to produce.

I really doubt that a SHORAD system would have done anything for these guys. Its obvious from their behaviour that they are unaware of the fact that they are being observed and that an attack is incoming. The "atomic target" they create by bounching up close to one another is a giveaway. If they had dispersed as infantry in combat should with several meters from one man to the next they still would have been hit by the attack but the effect would have been much less severe.
Regardless the unit had zero chance to react to the attack. With or without SHORAD.
This is what I mentioned several times allready: without a proper sensor suite for early warning and tracking SHORAD is useless. In the case of drones even a MG is ample firepower IF the drone is detected and a suitable FCS guiding the weapon.
This problem is not new BTW. The approach speed of ATGMs is pretty low. Its absolutely possible to react to such an attack an deploy countermeasures or dodge it... IF the attack is detected in the first place. Which is usually not the case.
The problem that needs solving is survailance and detection. The problem of killing is simple in comparison.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

26-May

This probably includes POW and KIA , but still how long can you go around loosing 2000 per day

TOS 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8piI7JB02c

Italian FH70

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26-May

Spectacular RGW90 hit and run small unit action:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyk4o2/ukus_foreign_legion_fights_fire_rgw90_antitank/

So far these launchers seem to be working well. 

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