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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 189053 views.
schnuersi

From: schnuersi

1/6/22

graylion said:

So UA is getting the ones that were slanted to be delivered to the BW?

I have no idea. Never the less the systems are not existing yet and need to be build first.

graylion said:

Also, the Poles are accusing DE to have broken their word on delivering Leo 2A4 in Ringtausch.

Again it is a little more complicated. Germany wants to deliver Leo2A4, A5 or A6. Since these are available. But the Poles are insisting on getting A7V. Which also don't exist yet. At least not in the required numbers. The fight is about a formulation. The Germans promised modern weapons if the Poles deliver Soviet era equipment to the Ukraine. Now the Poles want the most advanced possible. Which not only is impossible because these are not available and the Poles new that it is also not what its about. Its not abou the Poles delivering legacy trash to UA and getting the most advanced equipment for free in return. The Leo2 A4 and A5 are an adequate replacement. But they want more.
 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

1/6/22

Cost of the Russian artilery ammo

122-mm RS for BM-21
High-explosive fragmentation M 
- high-explosive with AR-6 M-21OF with AR-6
Incendiary MZ-21 
high-explosive fragmentation M-210F IN 

122-mm RS k 9P138
High-explosive fragmentation 9M28F 
High-explosive fragmentation with AR-6 9M28F S AR-6 
Incendiary 9M28S 
Agathition 9M28D High
-explosive fragmentation inert 9M28F 

122-mm RS to 9A51
High-explosive fragmentation of increased power 9M53F 
High-explosive fragmentation inert 9M53F IN 


300-mm RS to 9A52
High-explosive 9M55F with vzr. 9B191 
Fragmentation cassette 9M55K with vzr. 9B171 
Fragmentation cassette 9M55K with vzr. 
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DavidPawley

From: DavidPawley

1/6/22

Csis is wrong. So are all the other lazy sources that call everything a ballistic missile without caring what words mean.

  1. it doesn’t follow a ballistic path.
  2. the boost-sustain rocket burns for the entire flight.
  3. the sustain thrust is, I suspect, very small - just enough to count.

ATACMS is basically designed to not quite be restricted by treaty. It’s the Washington treaty battleship of battlefield missiles.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

1/6/22

Thanks for the update. Neat thing about the Norinco M14s; apparently they have case hardened receivers. Several gun magazines in the US reported a little resistance then soft receivers during tests. An engineer wrote into one magazine noted the Chinese case-hardened a lot of tools you normally wouldn't, and it sounded like that's what they did.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

1/6/22

Ridiculed at the time, but this German helmet saved this guy from shrapnel:

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2/6/22

https://archive.ph/uO7ML

Claims $20k R18 Octocopters have destroyed 100x Russian vehicles to date with simple drone dropped anti-tank grenades and modified RPGs. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2/6/22

Priced a bit steep for a black market item

First time i see of Russians adding up armoring kits to IFVs in the field in Ukraine.

  

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

4/6/22

which type of Grenade launcher with CF housing parts?

Ither worlds top fire resistant paint or Ukrainians drawing V and Z sings..................would  go with the later , often seen own casualty sold as destroyed Russian  for PR

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