gatnerd

Military Guns and Ammunition

Hosted by gatnerd

This is intended for people interested in the subject of military guns and their ammunition, with emphasis on automatic weapons.

  • 3339
    MEMBERS
  • 189798
    MESSAGES
  • 1
    POSTS TODAY

Discussions

Lynx as a platform   General Army topics

Started 4-Apr by graylion; 6391 views.
graylion

From: graylion

24-Apr

that's been clarified. UK troops with challengers as a stopgap

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

24-Apr

graylion said:

My source: https://www.dw.com/en/why-isnt-germany-supplying-ukraine-with-heavy-weapons/a-61553273

...and a few lines above the statement of one week General Laubenthal states "extensive training" is needed. I know Gen. Laubenthal personally. More than 20 years ago he was my company commander. He served in the armored corps, is a tanker and generally a very good officer and leader.

If a paratrooper with no experience with AFV claims he knows better I have serious doubts.
Even more so since these claims are conflicting with my experience. An AFV is not a new rifle.
I am aware of the claims that its all not a big deal and in one or two weeks the Ukraine can field brigades with Marders and Leopards. Which in my experience and knowledge is simply a load of crap. Most likely politically motivated. Yes, Ukraine needs help but we need to face the sad reality that what was fucked up over at least the last decade can not be undone in weeks.
For example i know that the vehicles we are talking about are not anywhere near ready to use. I actually have seen them some time ago. I also was part of a Leopard crew and did train crews for several years. I have an engineering background and now work for the MoD. It can not realisitically be done. Most likely taking the current supply situation into account it would take at least half a year. This IMHO should be done or at least tried. But that is above my paygrade.

In reply toRe: msg 16
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

24-Apr

Germany is supplying heavy weapons just indirectly,many of the east European T72 clones are being supplied in exchange for surplus german Marders and Fuchs or whatever deals can be made on the purchase of Boxers.

graylion

From: graylion

24-Apr

yeah, long term that will not be sufficient. I am assuming @Schnuersi and colleagues are currently looking into Leo and Marder stocks and refurbishing them. As are their counterparts in the Pentagon

taschoene

From: taschoene

24-Apr

Thanks, I had not seen that clarification about Challenger 2 to Poland.  British Army of the Vistula, then?

In reply toRe: msg 19
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

24-Jul

Somewhat surprised at how low the CV90MK4 is in comparison to Lynx and Ascod , also that maned turret seems to be the choice for Czech and Slovaks given the internal volume

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

25-Jul

Maybe they see manned turrets as simpler / less expensive?

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

25-Jul

They are simpler and less expensive.

Not every military is convinced on the viability of unmanned turrets.

If the advantages are not (fully) applicable to a given use it makes little sense to spend the adiitional resources an advantages of a manned turret.

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

25-Jul

Also, you may have better situational awareness in a manned turret. 

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

25-Jul

This is a common criticism of unmanned turrets.

Which may or may not be valid. Current experience by users indicates that its not valid. Of course this depends on several variables. For example how the turret and the crew stations are equiped. Which in turn has direct influence on cost.

TOP