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FN SCAR Mk 2 and Evolys   Small Arms <20mm

Started 14/4/22 by Guardsman26; 8729 views.
Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

14/4/22

Other than forgot to caption the bullpup IN 6.8mm NGSW, pretty good!

nincomp

From: nincomp

14/4/22

Was there any discussion with the FNH personnel about what it would take for these weapons to reliably use higher pressure ammo like the SIG 6.8 NGSW?  Offhand, I can't remember how the Evolys locks the bolt.

Thanks

Guardsman26

From: Guardsman26

14/4/22

I didn't ask, but will when I go back. 

nincomp

From: nincomp

14/4/22

Does the SCAR16 have any advantages over the AR15 when it comes to using larger diameter, more powerful cartridges like the 6mm ACR or are the limitations posed by the dimensions of the magazine well and strength of the bolt/barrel extension about the same?  I vaguely recall a multi-caliber SCAR, but I think it was based on the larger SCAR17.  Is that correct?

These questions are related to an earlier discussion about the potential development of something along the lines of a "NGSW-lite" cartridge somewhere between the existing 5.56x45 and the proposed 6.8mm ones.

smg762

From: smg762

16/4/22

with 7.62 SAWs that are as light as an SA80....what would the recoil be like on full auto?

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Guardsman26

From: Guardsman26

16/4/22

7.62 mm Evolys has a hydraulic buffer, so recoil is mitigated 

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nincomp

From: nincomp

16/4/22

SMG, it depends a lot on the nature of the recoil.  The total force depends solely on the cartridge and firing rate.  When that is smoothed out correctly, the shooter mainly feels a continual push rather than the rapid pulsing of the bolt carrier slamming into the receiver.

In this video, Ian talks about the Knight's 7.62x51 Assault Machinegun which he says weighs about 14 pounds (6.35kg), essentially the same as the Evolys (depending upon who is fibbing more about the weight).

https://youtu.be/6hsOrULshco?t=515

  • Edited 16 April 2022 11:49  by  nincomp
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EmericD

From: EmericD

16/4/22

smg762 said:

with 7.62 SAWs that are as light as an SA80....what would the recoil be like on full auto?

I had the opportunity to shoot the Evolys in 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm, and the recoil was very, very smooth (and I'm only 5'7" & 150 lbs).

To the point that one of the senior officer shooting the Evolys told us "the 7.62 mm is so light & easy to shoot, why do we need a 5.56 mm?"

mpopenker

From: mpopenker

16/4/22

So, the soft recoil, basically, means that the forward bolt stroke starts from the zero initial velocity, and thus the power reserve to feed the cartridge under less than ideal conditions (such as increased internal friction due to ingress of dirt, sand, lack of lubrication etc) is minimal. Or am i wrong here?

RovingPedant

From: RovingPedant

16/4/22

mpopenker said...

the soft recoil, basically, means that the forward bolt stroke starts from the zero initial velocity,

I would expect that the forward bolt stroke starts with zero initial velocity on every machine gun ever made. Did you mean zero spring load?

As far as I understand it, the bulk of felt recoil comes from impact with the buffer at the end of bolt travel, which is essentially a very much stiffer spring than the return spring. Using a hydraulic buffer ought to mean that you have put a damper into the system so the resistance from that element is based on velocity rather than position like it would be with a spring. As such you can apply it in parallel to the return spring without running the risk of stopping the bolt short, provided it's tuned right. So the bolt could have a preload from the spring at the point where it is held by the sear and consequently have enough power in the spring to feed cartridges even when fouled.

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