EmericD said:

C'est l'histoire de l'arroseur arrosé

help please ;) google translate is not making a lot of sense ...

graylion said:

help please ;) google translate is not making a lot of sense ...

The German government had a large record of not allowing the exportation of several French-German joint products, or even French products that used German parts...

graylion said:

       EmericD said: C'est l'histoire de l'arroseur arrosé

help please ;) google translate is not making a lot of sense ...

This may not help either, but it appears to be what he's referring to.

The Watered Sprinkler - Wikipedia (fr-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog)

teehee! thanks!

EmericD said:

The German government had a large record of not allowing the exportation of several French-German joint products, or even French products that used German parts...

Basically every government has such rules. The US have ITAR. That is nothing special... as such.
The German rules used to be "no defense products into crisis regions". Which has been controversial to say the least. Especially the definition of what a crisis region is. This rule has been dropped since the invasion of the Ukraine. Which also was very controversial
The Swiss government has rules that are tied to their neutrality status. Delivering weapons to an active war party could compromise that so they forbid it. This has so far not been a problem. I am convinced that 99,99% of our politician and high ranking MoD officials have not been aware of this at all.

And Switzerland is making some noises about being willing to "backfill" inventory sent to conflict zones by others (so, if Germany ships its 35mm to Ukraine, Switzerland could be willing to resupply Germany, but not supply Ukraine directly).  Which leaves an interesting question of how long the inventory has to be in German possession first.  Is 24 hours long enough?

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schnuersi said:

Basically every government has such rules.

Yes, but not every governments signed a treaty to explicitly avoid this pitfall (for France and Germany, it's the "Schmidt-Debré" MoU of 1971-72), and this treaty says that neither the French, nor the German government, should block exports of common products to third parties...

EmericD said:

Yes, but not every governments signed a treaty to explicitly avoid this pitfall (for France and Germany, it's the "Schmidt-Debré" MoU of 1971-72), and this treaty says that neither the French, nor the German government, should block exports of common products to third parties...

To my knowledge the Smidt-Debré treaty is still in effect. I also don't know any examples of when Germany blocked the export of a common product to a third party.
What I do know is that this treaty is highly controversial in both France and Germany for several reasons. Mostly because the wording of the treaty is so soft it can easily be interpreted in any direction.

schnuersi said:

I also don't know any examples of when Germany blocked the export of a common product to a third party.

Milan ER / Aravis / Cougar helicopters / Meteor missiles...

schnuersi said:

What I do know is that this treaty is highly controversial in both France and Germany for several reasons. Mostly because the wording of the treaty is so soft it can easily be interpreted in any direction.

I don't know the German version of the treaty, but the wording in French is pretty straightforward!

"Aucun des deux gouvernements n'empêchera l'autre d'exporter ou de laisser exporter dans des pays tiers du matériel d'armement issu de développements ou de productions menés en coopération."