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Tracks vs Wheels   General Army topics

Started 26/5/22 by graylion; 30490 views.
graylion

From: graylion

15-Feb

schnuersi said:

This is exactly the problem. In this case the wheeled vehicles have to stay on some form of fortified road that prevents them from sinking in and getting stuck. While its still possible to use them they are very limited to where they go. Which makes it easy to predict their movement and use this.

Yes. the question is whether one would want to design a dedicated tracked scout vehicle

graylion

From: graylion

15-Feb

EmericD said:

. If you take a "bunch of veteran Ukrainian tankers" that were raised and feeded with T-72s, and give them an AMX 10RC, that's not going to work well for them.

Well, the Ukrainians have proven time and again that they aren't idiots.

EmericD

From: EmericD

15-Feb

graylion said:

Well, the Ukrainians have proven time and again that they aren't idiots.

Of course, but the armor of the 10RC is offering protection mostly against rain and sun, so it could be a cultural shock when you're transitioning from a tank.

graylion

From: graylion

15-Feb

EmericD said:

Of course, but the armor of the 10RC is offering protection mostly against rain and sun, so it could be a cultural shock when you're transitioning from a tank.

Might not be a tank crew, might be an IFV crew. But I am seriously interested to see what the 10RCs will accomplish. Probably nothing now and a lot more once the ground is dry.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

15-Feb

Given that Leopard 2 might not be coming in any quanitity and Leo1 is mostly on the books , the light-protected firepower concept will see a test.

graylion

From: graylion

15-Feb

leave enemy tanks to ATGM and use tanks to kill IFVs and other stuff.

In reply toRe: msg 244
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

18-Mar

Expensive upgrade  ~$17 million USD to convert a M1A1 SA to a M1A2 SEP v3! :blink:  later drops to 9.5mio $  , makes anti tank drones seem like a bargain .

graylion

From: graylion

19-Mar

how much are they new?

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

19-Mar

Who knows?  there is also question if any new ones are actually still being built or if they are just recycling the thousands held in stocks. 

And it seems my post is inaccurate congress papers indicate upgrade cost  FY 2023 as 11.7mio$  not  9.8milion$ 

 Rough-y 5mio difference  , 11.7 vs 17mio $ for upgrade from from M1A1SA or M1A2 SEP2 base vehicle

Cost of upgrades only, not new production.
- The Average Procurement Unit Cost (APUC) for FY 2023 is $11.738 million for a quantity of 44 M1A2 SEPv3 tanks using the M1A2 SEPv2 as the seed vehicle for all 44 tank upgrades.
- The Average Procurement Unit Cost (APUC) for FY 2022 is $11.555 million for a quantity of 90 M1A2 SEPv3 tanks using the M1A2 SEPv2 as the seed vehicle for all 90 tank upgrades.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

19-Mar

graylion said:

how much are they new?

Roughly the same.
The tanks will not only be upgraded but completly refurbished. So they will be as good as new. There are some savings but its not massive.

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