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Tracks vs Wheels   General Army topics

Started 26/5/22 by graylion; 30350 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

21-Mar

I think the Rheinmetall Denel is about shells not guns. And like said money makes things move, if it doesn't go directly it makes detours on paper, money changes hands intermediaries are making a killing.Arms export papers are BS and no one cares about any when political will is there, was so already when direct funding and arming of terrorists in Libya and Syria was on the table Azarbajan made a killing providing diplomatic airlines solely in business of trafficking illicit arms and is absolutely the case with Ukraine. 

Denel know how in long range artillery is quite impressive. But note same shell in noraml PZH2000 chamber is limited to 56km , larger chamber would enable 75+km

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/rheinmetall-denel-munition-wins-big-new-155-mm-ammunition-orders/

graylion

From: graylion

21-Mar

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Denel know how in long range artillery is quite impressive. But note same shell in noraml PZH2000 chamber is limited to 56km , larger chamber would enable 75+km

Well, Bull worked with them. And I notice that the larger chamber does not seem to be STANAG compatible? Elbonia might want to buy G6 ...

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

21-Mar

Yes but the natives broke the system Denel is broke, or just out of bankruptcy and it doesn't seem they will be a major player anytime soon altough South Africa has/had diverse offerings, from MRAPS to jets

Larger chamber will sooner or later be STANAG coded.Its the same with tank cannons chambers will grow even if the caliber doesnt.

graylion

From: graylion

21-Mar

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Larger chamber will sooner or later be STANAG coded.Its the same with tank cannons chambers will grow even if the caliber doesnt.

If I was Rheinmetall/Nexter/Saab this migth be well worth working on in the light of the UA war

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

21-Mar

Other factor you have to consider Denel is chosen not just for their know how but primarily to reduce costs by offshoring R&D , and from what i understand funding was very limited and Rheinmetall was mostly interested in the development around standard guns and chambers. 

By the way Denel has been firing 67+km shots on their G6 for long time , first over 60km shots in 1991 and in production since 2003 . ''The G6 is not restricted by the NATO accepted Joint Ballistics Memorandum of Understanding (JBMoU) and has a larger chamber, packing more propellant charge accelerating the Assegai to the longest range possible.''

taschoene

From: taschoene

21-Mar

It's probably worth noting that the US ERCA gun is also not JBMoU-compliant.  

graylion

From: graylion

21-Mar

Good. I think the age of complacency regarding arty may be over.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

19-Apr

So is Fuchs A9 dead? BW buying Patria instead

Germany and Sweden take next steps in the joint armored vehicle CAVS programme

https://www.patriagroup.com/newsroom/news/2023/germany-and-sweden-take-next-steps-in-the-joint-armoured-vehicle-cavs-programme

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

19-Apr

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

So is Fuchs A9 dead? BW buying Patria instead

Nope. No decision has been made.
Germany joined the CAVS program to evaluate is this is a suitable option. That is it.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

19-Apr

At least the initial PATRIA X CAV has been touted as super affordable. But from what you mentioned in the past BW is looking for higher protection levels than initially offered with Patria XA300

Interesting the lack of interest in Pandur Evolution  6x6 which on paper offers everything in a more compact and lighter platform that is also air transportable in c130

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