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Future Infantry Heavy Weapons   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 29-Sep by stancrist; 5159 views.
EmericD

From: EmericD

30-Sep

Interesting...

  • everyone is still using the M4 and M249, not the M5 or M250,
  • the A-team grenadier will be equipped with a PGS and nothing for self protection?

stancrist

From: stancrist

30-Sep

EmericD said:

everyone is still using the M4 and M249, not the M5 or M250,

I imagine that's probably because the slide was created solely to show what weapons the PGS and IAM would replace.  

EmericD said:

the A-team grenadier will be equipped with a PGS and nothing for self protection?

Yup.  As I said 10 days ago in the PDW thread, "If a new, larger and heavier semi-auto [grenade launcher] should be developed and fielded, a grenadier so equipped probably would carry no secondary weapon, as is typical of XM25 users seen in Afghanistan photos and video."

  • Edited 30 September 2022 13:10  by  stancrist
Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

30-Sep

New users for the M18 pistol?

stancrist

From: stancrist

30-Sep

No, because the M18 pistol is the new, standard issue handgun of the Marine Corps.

But, Army grenadiers equipped with a PGS are possible new users for the M17 pistol.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

1-Oct

This is all very exciting. Obviously I'm super stoked off the airbursting grenade launcher. Hopefully they decide to pursue something with more emphasis on lethality/bang vs flat trajectory, as the newest gens of smart optics can counter pretty steep trajectories.

But the Individual Assault Munition is also very interesting. I'm curious whether this will be LAW M72 size, or AT4 sized, and whether it will be optically equipped or just those flip up irons. 

Overall I think Ukraine has shown the general utility of having as much man portable HE capability as possible, both for anti vehicle and anti perssonel / fortification. 

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The 120mm seems like the most lethal but hardest to develop. 120mm power, 69 round loadout, with a accurate man portable launcher that can be gone in 3 minutes. 

What comes most to mind is perhaps a 81mm using the Saab MAPAM munition, which gives 120mm level fragmentation but in a smaller shell?

  • Edited 01 October 2022 2:51  by  gatnerd
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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

1-Oct

If a new, larger and heavier semi-auto [grenade launcher] should be developed and fielded, a grenadier so equipped probably would carry no secondary weapon, as is typical of XM25 users seen in Afghanistan photos and video."

An interesting chicken egg question is whether this was due to the lack of a PDW for them to carry. 

Couldn't / didnt want to also carry a M4, and they either lacked a pistol or figured it was effectively useless at afghan ranges and didnt bother carrying one. 

Had an actual MP9/MP7 type PDW been available, I wonder if they would have chosen to carry it? 

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Refleks

From: Refleks

1-Oct

If it's going to be vehicle mounted I would like to have seen 120mm, while you can carry fewer rounds for the same weight (I think the USMC setup included a trailer with something like 32 rounds) there's more potential when it comes to effects on target, range, and future guided / cargo rounds which is what I would very much like to see at battalion level.  The main argument I see with 81mm would be ability to manpack the piece should the vehicle be inappropriate or disabled which is valid but I also think in practice it's much less practical than it is in theory and a vehicle would be used more often then not in the vast majority of cases, and I think guided 120mm at battalion would be an excellent compliment to long range 60mm with MAPAM at company, itself complimented by 60mm commando mortars at platoon.

Apsyda

From: Apsyda

1-Oct

Taking from the Chinese then, on the precision grenade launchers?

Or is this going to be closer to a XM25 throwback?

  • Edited 01 October 2022 13:53  by  Apsyda
Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

1-Oct

It would be nice if they were M72 sized, that way a squad could carry more, more easily. 

Probably AT-4 size, with ability to mount an electronic sight. Try to get an NLAW lite.

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