Supposedly there could be several 100 Leo1s be going to UA. A lot of them are probabbly in pretty dire state. Also, the Leo1 supposedly has prett thin armour. So what I am asking myself, what is going to be done to them?
 

• new (electro-)optics? Presumably
• ERA?
• What else?

graylion said:

Supposedly there could be several 100 Leo1s be going to UA.

Currently it seems like they will get Leo2 first.
UA tankers are allready in training as Leo2 crews in Germany. It is currently planned to give them one battalion of Leo2.

If they get Leo1 remains to be seen. The German defense industry has requested permission to sell Leo1 to UA. I am not sure if this allready has been approved. Also there is nothing substanical about fefurbishing the tanks. Just estimates of how long it would take.

graylion said:

So what I am asking myself, what is going to be done to them?

That entirely depends on the time frame and resources available.
Most likely they would be brought to a uniform standard of Leo1 A5+ level. Propably by using FCS components of Leo2.

graylion said:

ERA?

unlikely.
Germany doesn't use ERA so there is none available. The UA industry is in ruins and most likely unable to provide any.
If additional armor will be fitted it will most likely be one of the upgrade kits allready available for Leo1. Like the MEXAS kit used be the Canadians in the past.

schnuersi said:

If they get Leo1 remains to be seen. The German defense industry has requested permission to sell Leo1 to UA. I am not sure if this allready has been approved. A

My understanding was that permission had been given for something like 150?

Edit: And on second thoughts, this makes me wonder what about the CA2 ones?

Editedit: Amap sounds like an interesting option. 

graylion said:

My understanding was that permission had been given for something like 150?

I looked it up.
The delivery of 178 Leo1 A5 has been approved. The first are supposed to arrive "this summer".

So they will be speficially the A5 version as been phased out by the Bundeswehr in the early 2000. So no modifactions behond repairing and refurbishing.

Technologically no game changer is worse than Czech upgraded T72 or Polish Twardy T90  even our T55S might give it run for its money with decade newer optronics ,laser warning recievers , automatic barrel bend compensation , and reactive armor, so kinda like more protected Mobile Protected firepower except with pre 90's optronics (even if the modernisation was made in 90- 94 , tech was from 84-87'

Honestly it really hardly matters as you need to have considerably more armoring to protect against anything antitank made in past 40 years , kinda like T62 that has 2x the armor of Leo1 + M kit to double it up frontaly , but hardly matters as its not really enough to stand up against most threats. 

I agree, might be better with upgraded armour, but mostly it falls under "any tank is better than no tank"

I am kind of surprised no one tried to offload the Romanian T55 clones , that were modernised not that long ago.

TR-85M1

Denmark will have 100 Leo1A5 ready in Spring

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_march_2023_global_security_army_industry/denmark_confirms_that_100_leopard_1a5_tanks_for_ukraine_will_be_ready_in_the_spring.html

''Denmark has confirmed its collaboration with Germany and the Netherlands to donate 100 Leopard 1 Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) to Ukraine''  Denmark will have check ready by the Spring not the tanks.

Lots of mental masturbation with these reports about who has tanks, who pays for them and who takes the credit. None of these tanks are owned by Denmark, Germany or Netherlands, All these tanks are owned by the industry (FFG) Rheinmetall is still shopping for their 88 lying in open air scrapheap in Italy, and Denmark has jack shit of them to donate,so story should be really Denmark, Germany, Netherlands agree to jointly pay Rheinmetall and FFG whatever they want to refurbish and deliver tanks to Ukraine.

Danish Leopards 1A5 were sold to FFG to be cannibalized and converted into engineering variants and special variants in 2010 ,hence Denmark has none to donate. 

From what i understand ''scrap metal dealers'' will get 100mio eur for 88 tanks. most of these tanks will only be ready in 2024 according to Rheinmetall.

Rheinmetall must be hiring mechanics hand over fist ATM