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EMBR II   General Army topics

Started 16-May by graylion; 2091 views.
graylion

From: graylion

16-May

I had a look at it and it seems to have a medium calibre autocannon in an RWS on top. That seems silly, since it makes the profile ridiculously high. I'd stick it in the turret as in the Swedish prototype tank the name of which escapes me.

stancrist

From: stancrist

16-May

confused  Search for "EMBR II" gets no results that match your description.

graylion

From: graylion

16-May

pardonnez moi EMBT II

stancrist

From: stancrist

16-May

Ah.  Okay, thanks. 

In regard to your criticism, removing the AC RWS would only partially lower the profile, because the 7.62 MG RWS has similar height and width.

graylion

From: graylion

16-May

stancrist said:

In regard to your criticism, removing the AC RWS would only partially lower the profile, because the 7.62 MG RWS has similar height and width.

concur - I have seen a Korean study that has a popup RWS that can be stored in the turret. That's kind of my thinking.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

16-May

graylion said:

I had a look at it and it seems to have a medium calibre autocannon in an RWS on top. That seems silly, since it makes the profile ridiculously high.

The EMBR is basically a modified Leo2 hull fitted with a heavily modified Leclerc turret.
Its not a clean slate design. Just like the KF51 Panther. In both cases systems and parts the manufacturing corporations are currently offering are put on them. As much as they can it seems. This is why they look so stuffed and lack any form of elegance.

stancrist

From: stancrist

16-May

graylion said:

I have seen a Korean study that has a popup RWS that can be stored in the turret. That's kind of my thinking.

I wonder if that might be an unnecessary complication.  In what scenario(s) do you see the externally mounted RWS as posing a significant problem?

graylion

From: graylion

16-May

stancrist said:

In what scenario(s) do you see the externally mounted RWS as posing a significant problem?

sneaking up on somebody. Isn't there a reason why tanks are supposed to have a low silhouette?

stancrist

From: stancrist

16-May

graylion said:

sneaking up on somebody.

Umm, it's kinda difficult for a tank to sneak up on the enemy unless they are deaf and blind.

Crank up the volume and watch/listen to these videos:

https://youtu.be/zTJCrykYFM0?t=100

https://youtu.be/OooQVZJrAKc?t=2

Big Dust Clouds behind Leopard 2A4 - YouTube

graylion said:

Isn't there a reason why tanks are supposed to have a low silhouette?

I don't know of any rule which says tanks are "supposed" to have a low silhouette.

Some tanks have a lower silhouette than others, but that is not necessarily better.

As for the effect of a RWS or two, it looks to me like the silhouette would not be much different from current tanks.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

17-May

graylion said:

That seems silly

I think it's probably the most useful upgrade to the tank.

-With Proximity airburst it gives the tank some anti drone defense ability 

-30mm HE / HE Airburst will give far better range and effect at suppressing ATGM teams (and general infantry support) then the COAX 

-With the use of larger 130-140mm shells, the tank has fewer rounds to fire against infantry / light vehicles. 30mm gives it a nice middle ground between the 7.62 coax and the main cannon. 

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