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Future Rocket/Missile Artillery    General Military Discussion

Started 4/6/23 by gatnerd; 10204 views.
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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

8-Nov

A nice look at China's currently most advanced MLRS, which seems quite formidable.

https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1031&context=cmsi-maritime-reports

Export version means these may be encountered well away from the Taiwan straight in the future:

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

8-Nov

They're supplying the US with Emotional Support Ammunition to make up for what we've sent to Ukraine.

graylion

From: graylion

8-Nov

yah, but imagine what they could send with their production capacity. 200 K9 and 10 Million rounds/a would change the equation significantly

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From: gatnerd

16-Nov

PrSM - successor to the ATACMS and no longer bound by INF limitations - is nearing acceptance for fielding/production. Warhead seems to be optimized for airburst and near vertical angle for optimal frag dispersion. Mention of Hypersonic speed is also intriguing...

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/army-inching-closer-to-prsm-fielding-with-successful-qualification-test-flight/

“Preliminary results from the test show the Precision Strike Missile Increment 1 missile performed nominally in terms of predicted flight trajectory, lethality, near-vertical engagement angle, and height of burst,” the service wrote. “A final flight test report is anticipated in December 2023.”

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Lockheed said in a separate statement today that it cannot disclose the distance the missile flew to hit the target, but that it was the “shortest range flown” to date at less than 85 kilometers thus “demonstrating the system’s continued accuracy from launch to impact.”

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“While not PrSM’s primary mission range, the short-range flight represents the most stressful, dynamic environment for the missile as it maneuvers at hypersonic speeds to align to the target,” the company wrote. “This test verifies structural integrity of the missile and trajectory control.”

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If the final test report is also glowing, the service can begin accepting early operational capability missiles before the start of 2024.

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When the Pentagon released its fiscal 2024 budget request in March, the Army acquisition objective for PrSM Inc 1 was for 3,986 missiles. However, since then the White Hous
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  • Edited 16 November 2023 23:53  by  gatnerd
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From: gatnerd

19-Nov

France just had an successful SLBM test of its latest design:

https://twitter.com/M51_4ever/status/1725989730888671639

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From: gatnerd

20-Nov

US about to begin fielding Typhon launchers in Indo-Pacific soon:

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/armys-new-typhon-strike-weapon-headed-to-indo-pacific-in-2024/

The US Army plans to deploy its new Mid-Range Capability (MRC) long-range launcher in the Indo-Pacific next year, according to a four-star general.

Also known as Typhon, the service designed the land-based system to launch Raytheon’s existing SM-6 missiles and Tomahawk cruise missiles to hit targets between the Precision Strike Missile’s (PrSM’s) planned 500-kilometer range and the 2,776-kilometer reach of the future Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW).

“We have tested [Typhon] and we have a battery, or two of them today,” US Army Pacific commander Gen. Charles Flynn told reporters at the Halifax International Security Forum today. 

“In ‘24, we intend to deploy that system in the region,” he added. “I’m not going to say where and when, but I will just say that we will deploy them in the region.”

Flynn did not disclose if Washington struck a deal with a foreign government to place the new weapon on its soil or if Typon would instead be heading to Guam, a US territory. However, he expressly said the weapon will not be deployed on the continental US, ruling out placing it somewhere on the West Coast.

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From: gatnerd

28-Nov

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2023/08/04/us-approves-395-million-upgrade-of-finlands-m270-rocket-launchers/

Finland has 40x M270's, so when fully modernized and provided with GMLRS-ER and other missiles, will be quite formidable. However with production bottlenecks and war in Ukraine + other military orders, I suspect it will be years before they have good stocks of rockets. 

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/finland-guided-multiple-launch-rocket-systems-gmlrs

The order # of rockers here (150 AW, 250 Unitary for $535 mil) seems way off; either Finland is being raped on price, or the order units are for 6 pack MFOM cassettes of 6 rockets each. 

From the language, I'm hopeful this is for MFOMs and not individual rockets:

The Government of Finland has requested to buy one hundred fifty (150) M30A1 Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) Alternative Warhead (AW) (Steel Case), or M30A2 Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) Alternative Warhead (AW) Missile Pods with Insensitive Munitions Propulsion System (IMPS), or a combination of both; and two hundred fifty (250) M31A1 GMLRS Unitary (GMLRS-U) Warhead (Steel Case), or M31A2 GMLRS-U IMPS, or a combination of both. Also included is a Quality Assurance Team (QAT); transportation services; and other related elements of program and logistics support. The total estimated cost is $535 million.

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This ties back to my thesis for the UK military though - probably the best bang for the buck way to improve NATO security / contribute to defense is to show up with MLRS and a shit ton of rockets, rather then a 100-200 tanks. 

  • Edited 29 November 2023 1:38  by  gatnerd
graylion

From: graylion

2-Dec

I am very confused by SM-6

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

4-Dec

graylion said:

I am very confused by SM-6

Yes, it's not really an optimal missile for ground to ground or anti ship.

Its inclusion in Typhon launchers is probably a mix of

-Its the only MK41 VLS missile besides Tomahawk that can attack ground and naval targets 

-It also allows the Typhon to serve as a supplementary anti air / anti ballistic missile defense

-Using SM6 from Army ground launchers + Navy buying large orders of SM6 for ships creates better economy of scale 

https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/sm-6/

The Standard Missile-6 (SM-6) is a multi-mission missile capable of antiair warfare, terminal ballistic missile defense, and antiship strike roles. It uses a blast-fragmentation warhead to engage these threats in the endo-atmosphere. The U.S. Navy has also upgraded the SM-6 to perform strike missions. Its tri-mission capability also presents opportunities for the Navy to arrange more efficient weapon loadouts onboard its guided missile ships. In the words of a former Missile Defense Agency director, the versatile SM-6 is likely to be “the workhorse for Navy cruise missile defense and ballistic missile defense for a very, very long time.”

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There are also plans to further upgrade the SM6 which may make it more attractive for ground launch.

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The SM-6 itself is also still undergoing evolution and is now set to emerge with a new airframe of larger dimensions, tailored to take advantage of the full diameter of the individual cells in the Mk 41 vertical launch systems. This will include a 21-inch-diameter motor that promises to considerably increase range and speed. You can read more about this SM-6 Block IB initiative here, suffice to say, while it will likely be a multi-role missile, the Navy seems to have already earmarked it for anti-surface warfare.

  • Edited 04 December 2023 7:27  by  gatnerd
farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

5-Dec

Yes, SM-6 is mostly AD, but has the backup anti-surface capability, making it pretty versatile. Take out a recon plane, and then take out the ship it was transmitting to.

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