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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info Small Arms <20mm
From: poliorcetes
18/8/21
If you dudes continue to talk about 81mm mortars, I won't resist the temptation anymore and I will start to talk about RPAs / UAS which carry mortar bombs right above heads of the adversaries. Please don't make me derail this thread
From: Red7272
18/8/21
poliorcetes said:If you dudes continue to talk about 81mm mortars, I won't resist the temptation anymore and I will start to talk about RPAs / UAS which carry mortar bombs right above heads of the adversaries. Please don't make me derail this thread
Well that would be an obvious solution but we are talking US army here.
From: stancrist
18/8/21
Red7272 said:Every heard of an AGL why do they need a mortar then?
Well, the most obvious reason to take a mortar is 81mm HE > 40mm HEDP. 
Other possible reasons they might want to have a mortar are firing smoke...
...and illumination.
From: stancrist
18/8/21
P.S. Dismounted use of 81mm mortars in Afghanistan was probably rare, but not unheard of.
From: stancrist
18/8/21
poliorcetes said:If you dudes continue to talk about 81mm mortars, I won't resist the temptation anymore and I will start to talk about RPAs / UAS which carry mortar bombs right above heads of the adversaries. Please don't make me derail this thread
LOL. This thread was derailed more than 100 posts ago when the XM25 and Mk47 were brought into the discussion. 
From: Red7272
18/8/21
My favourite is from Iraq. Bunch of guys with AKs blast away at a patrol from 800 metres while there is a closer sniper with a Tabuk hidden inside the back of a car or next to a pile of something soft to mitigate the muzzle report. US army spent years thinking they were being shot from 800 metres by AKs until someone realised it was a Chechen tactic that had made the trip to Iraq.
From: DavidPawley
19/8/21
No, I mean the engagement geometry won’t work for many locations. It’s trivial to engage the patrol from 1km and be out of 81mm max range unless the patrol is so close to the fire base that there’s no pretence that the patrol is anything other than perimeter security.
From: roguetechie
20/8/21
Why not?
They're also apparently using aiming and fire control from three generations ago to be sporting in Stan's example so why not have it be a squad 81mm
