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But as far as I know ACR ended preciselly with no winner
ACR ended with no winner because the goal was to increase hit probability - and pretty much every rifle tested actually had worse hit probability then the M16. Ultimately the only thing taken from ACR was the 4X ACOG, which was found to marginally improve hit probability at long distance on the ACR target range.
Complete ACR results:
And the gist:
What would have been the reason Textron would have lost the competition? I mean, TV is more or less obvious at this point with GD out, but at the same time SiG is making serious efforts in making their civilian version visible. SiG's candidate is the heaviest at cartridge level, the least innovative and it has not any serious growth capabilities. Finally, SiG bimetal case is going to be more expensive than conventional ones. I mean, if AAI / Textron CT bid would have an actual deal breaker, it should have been known time ago. It would have even precluded its participation and even the entire program. I mean, it would have been a total disconnection between LSAT, NGAD and NGSW that would be really difficult to explain
DISCLAIMER : This is unverified reddit hearsay from a supposed "USAMU Tester", Along with some cross referencing with earlier forum discussion on this topic + the original RFP accuracy standards
However this could provide a plausible explanation for a possible GD/Textron Drop out
Regarding this topic it had been discussed earlier on this forum about a possible drop in accuracy with both TV Neckless and Textron CT type cartridges
In this discussion with EmericD :http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/7908/36
When you combine this with the original RFP calling for a certain standard of accuracy
All this together could present a plausible explanation, if indeed CT and TV neckless are inherently 3-4 MOA systems, wheras the goals are 1.7~ MOA accuracy
Interested to hear this forums take on this
Textron claimed their round was more accurate than normal ammo
Yes, and I'm inclined to believe Textron over a random redditor claiming to be a USAMU tester, if he was he'd surely be under an NDA, in addition to that he doesn't seem to be able to get even the basics of the ammo correct either, confusing GD/TV's ammo with SIG's for example, however we cannot ignore the fact that only the SIG entry was at AUSA this year, whereas for the last 3 years all 3 have been present
Right. That would make the exact opposite of sense unless emeric saw significant accuracy dropoff with his neckless brass cases.
Also the last person we had "come out of USAMU" gifted us with 6.8 spc.
So the track record here appears to side towards somebody trying to act cool on the internet.
Though it's genuinely not inconceivable that somehow Textron and TV screwed up that bad.
But how CT obtained Maturity level 9 at LSAT program?
Now CT seems to appear from nowhere in 2018 and we are talking about a design that was evolving during 20 years, maybe even more. After so many time and testing, I find really hard to believe that such a serious problem didn't stop the development before.
“however we cannot ignore the fact that only the SIG entry was at AUSA this year, whereas for the last 3 years all 3 have been present“
Conversely, SIG is not attending SHOT Show this year.
If you read his comment he did see an accuracy drop off, he was shooting 3-4 MOA, so it's not out of the question that it's too inaccurate for the stringent requirements set for NGSW,
"Also the last person we had "come out of USAMU" gifted us with 6.8 SPC", this is great quote
His comments describe the LSAT/CT ammo as a 'black plastic vienna sausage.'
Whats interesting is that in the last few years, all of the LSAT/CT ammo Textron has displayed has been a transparent amber color.
So its possible his testing (if it happened) was years ago. His description of the other polymer case he tested as "polymer sidewalls with brass base" is also dated.