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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 317396 views.
Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

25-Oct

Yes, and I'm inclined to believe Textron over a random redditor claiming  to be a USAMU tester, if he was he'd surely be under an NDA, in addition to that he doesn't seem to be able to get even the basics of the ammo correct either, confusing GD/TV's ammo with SIG's for example, however we cannot ignore the fact that only the SIG entry was at AUSA this year, whereas for the last 3 years all 3 have been present
 
 

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

25-Oct

Right. That would make the exact opposite of sense unless emeric saw significant accuracy dropoff with his neckless brass cases.

Also the last person we had "come out of USAMU" gifted us with 6.8 spc.

So the track record here appears to side towards somebody trying to act cool on the internet.

Though it's genuinely not inconceivable that somehow Textron and TV screwed up that bad.

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

25-Oct

But how CT obtained Maturity level 9 at LSAT program?

Now CT seems to appear from nowhere in 2018 and we are talking about a design that was evolving during 20 years, maybe even more. After so many time and testing, I find really hard to believe that such a serious problem didn't stop the development before.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

25-Oct

“however we cannot ignore the fact that only the SIG entry was at AUSA this year, whereas for the last 3 years all 3 have been present“

Conversely, SIG is not attending SHOT Show this year.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/10/11/sig-sauer-shot-show-2022/amp/

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

25-Oct

If you read his comment he did see an accuracy drop off, he was shooting 3-4 MOA, so it's not out of the question that it's too inaccurate for the stringent requirements set for NGSW, 

"Also the last person we had "come out of USAMU" gifted us with 6.8 SPC", this is great quote 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26-Oct

His comments describe the LSAT/CT ammo as a 'black plastic vienna sausage.' 

Whats interesting is that in the last few years, all of the LSAT/CT ammo Textron has displayed has been a transparent amber color.

So its possible his testing (if it happened) was years ago. His description of the other polymer case he tested as "polymer sidewalls with brass base" is also dated.

Who knows?

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26-Oct

In terms of our almost certainly dead True Velocity entrant.

We have one of our clearest photos to date of the RM277, as well as the chance that Guns&Ammo has pressure tested and evaluated the weapon. I'll be on the lookout for this issue.

And heres a photo of the 6.8TV being fired from the M134 Minigun. With its 22" barrel velocity would be over 3000fps. Ah, what could have been...

And another video of them showing off the barrel swap M240 capability for conversion.

6.8 TVC is the FUTURE for the American Warfighter | Next Generation Squad Weapons

True Velocity's 6.8TVC cartridge achieves enhanced ballistic performance over traditional 7.62x51mm while also maintaining safe chamber pressures and because...

stancrist

From: stancrist

26-Oct

gatnerd said:

His comments describe the LSAT/CT ammo as a 'black plastic vienna sausage.' 

Whats interesting is that in the last few years, all of the LSAT/CT ammo Textron has displayed has been a transparent amber color.

So its possible his testing (if it happened) was years ago.

Black CT ammo dates to 2016 and earlier, with the 6.5mm carbine and 7.62mm machine gun.

stancrist

From: stancrist

26-Oct

Gr1ff1th said:

we cannot ignore the fact that only the SIG entry was at AUSA this year

Why can't we?  Is it reasonable to conclude that 2/3 of the contenders for a lucrative contract voluntarily chose to drop out of the competition, because they didn't exhibit their candidate weapons at a trade show?

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

26-Oct

Stan, I do not believe any of the entrants have dropped out, I was just collating the various rumors' around the NGSW, now that we are in the final stretch

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