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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 522736 views.
stancrist

From: stancrist

1/11/21

???  SIG base diameter is the same as TV.  Both are smaller than Textron CT case diameter.

smg762

From: smg762

1/11/21

Am i right in thinking an NGSW soldier can only carry about 125 rounds or so

A slight increqse over 762 nato

stancrist

From: stancrist

2/11/21

smg762 said:

Am i right in thinking an NGSW soldier can only carry about 125 rounds or so

       As I recall, the Army wants the basic load to be about the same as currently:  ~210 rounds.

       With NGSW 20-rd magazines, I reckon the loadout would have to look something like this.

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

2/11/21

Jeez I really hope they can come up with some 2 magazine pouches or it's just going to be impractical 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2/11/21

EmericD said:

True Velocity Composite case proposed for the NGSW program was able to withstand bore obstruction overpressure without any damage.

This is very interesting. So the TV Neckless is also 'high pressure capable' like SIG and Textron?

And I guess they just chose not to pursue maximum pressure in order to allow for use in legacy weapons? 

smg762

From: smg762

2/11/21

210rnds sounds like a lot of weight.... im guessing the rounds are 17grams and the gun is nearly 4kg?

Another drawback of big rounds is the weight of magazines.

Not to mention sigs heavier steel ammo....presumably its as heavy as 762nato

  • Edited 02 November 2021 9:11  by  smg762
roguetechie

From: roguetechie

2/11/21

Sig's case is based off a larger CASE than 7.62 NATO Stan. It's the entire premise behind them claiming 20% weight savings over an "equivalent brass cased round" when their loaded cartridge weight isn't anywhere near 20% less than a loaded round of m80a1.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

2/11/21

There's some questions as to just how high you could or would want to push TV neckless pressure wise (it would likely fail at 100k psi but should run at 80k maybe even 85) but yes they can run much higher pressures than they're currently running without a problem.

I personally think they may have only ran their backwards compatible stuff up to 65k because anything more than that is going to do bad things to 417's sr25's and mk48's. The 240 OTOH ... you could push the pressures much higher than 65k and not get anywhere near the danger zone for it's locking system which should be good for almost 100k at reduced service life.

I think TV and GD made a bad bet in a bid to be backwards compatible when they should have put together something that really showed everything the TV case was capable of.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

2/11/21

So the ngsw program goals that we are aware of stated that they were looking for a combat load of 210 rounds. Where sig's ammo doesn't save much if anything, and may in fact be heavier per round than m80a1, this is in theory a pretty big problem.

Where we get into issues though is that we don't know if that's still a stated program goal/requirement since things could have changed here too like they did with the 600 meter level 4 penetration program goal.

The issue we run into is we don't know what, if anything, from the original requirements might have been altered or etc.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

2/11/21

Right lol!

That looks like a carriage nightmare.

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