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Jeez I really hope they can come up with some 2 magazine pouches or it's just going to be impractical
True Velocity Composite case proposed for the NGSW program was able to withstand bore obstruction overpressure without any damage.
This is very interesting. So the TV Neckless is also 'high pressure capable' like SIG and Textron?
And I guess they just chose not to pursue maximum pressure in order to allow for use in legacy weapons?
210rnds sounds like a lot of weight.... im guessing the rounds are 17grams and the gun is nearly 4kg?
Another drawback of big rounds is the weight of magazines.
Not to mention sigs heavier steel ammo....presumably its as heavy as 762nato
Sig's case is based off a larger CASE than 7.62 NATO Stan. It's the entire premise behind them claiming 20% weight savings over an "equivalent brass cased round" when their loaded cartridge weight isn't anywhere near 20% less than a loaded round of m80a1.
There's some questions as to just how high you could or would want to push TV neckless pressure wise (it would likely fail at 100k psi but should run at 80k maybe even 85) but yes they can run much higher pressures than they're currently running without a problem.
I personally think they may have only ran their backwards compatible stuff up to 65k because anything more than that is going to do bad things to 417's sr25's and mk48's. The 240 OTOH ... you could push the pressures much higher than 65k and not get anywhere near the danger zone for it's locking system which should be good for almost 100k at reduced service life.
I think TV and GD made a bad bet in a bid to be backwards compatible when they should have put together something that really showed everything the TV case was capable of.
So the ngsw program goals that we are aware of stated that they were looking for a combat load of 210 rounds. Where sig's ammo doesn't save much if anything, and may in fact be heavier per round than m80a1, this is in theory a pretty big problem.
Where we get into issues though is that we don't know if that's still a stated program goal/requirement since things could have changed here too like they did with the 600 meter level 4 penetration program goal.
The issue we run into is we don't know what, if anything, from the original requirements might have been altered or etc.
That looks like a carriage nightmare.
I swear the stated goal of 210 rounds was literally just because that's what it is now, zero thought on how the increased weight and bulk will actually affect that goal
SIG's cartridge weight is likely 23~ grams (Based off SIG saying it's 20% lighter than 270WSM), and Textron's is likely 15-17 grams (based off a 33% savings over 7.62 NATO), Overall the SIG ammo is likely 30-38% heavier than Textron's
I tend to agree. Also, none of the mags themselves we've seen look particularly light.
The really sad thing is that the ngsw project kinda painted itself into a corner by setting requirements that are frankly at odds with the government furnished projectiles they insist on using.
You CAN give them all their important requirements , just not with these projectiles which lock you into trying to make the most powerful service rifle round on earth and get it to fit into something you want to run like an assault rifle.