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LMAO Germany adopts an AR-15   Small Arms <20mm

Started 14/9/20 by QuintusO; 99685 views.

From: stancrist


roguetechie said:

So technically you want to redesign the upper anyway to deal with the known overheating issues.

Okay.  Is there any need to redesign the charging handle to fix the overheating issues?

roguetechie said:

If you're going to redesign it anyway, finding the most painless way to deal with charging the gun isn't a terrible idea. Neither is improving the bolt release and training your guys to use it instead of the charging handle as SOP.

I'm partial to the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" philosophy.  If the German army is satisfied with the current SOP, why should they bother changing something that works the way they want?

roguetechie said:

As far as optics go, I'm strongly in favor of just mass issuing an lpvo with at least a 1-4x magnification range, a generous eye box, and decent eye relief.

Sounds good to me.  Do the Germans want an LPVO?


From: roguetechie


I partially agree on the if it ain't broke don't fix it part... Personally I'd much rather see them find some clever way to just drift the pin out and replace the current bendable handle tab because the more you change it the more you're trying to design a new gun in the constraints of the old one.

That often ends bad.

I'd be surprised if the charging handle needs to be messed with to fix overheating.

On your final question, if they don't want LPVO's and their similar form factor full up fire control system in an LPVO counterparts they're doing it wrong.


From: tidusyuki


Another decade of G36 it is! LMAO. The fact that it's yet again the magazine that is problematic is also hilarious.

Also regarding the updated G36, i don't really like how thin the structure of the stock is. For a service rifle i think it's not robust enough. The stock is the only thing that is bothering me about the new G36. Why they designed it like that is beyond me. I don't think weight is the reason for a gun with a lot of plastic material.

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From: gatnerd


Steyr has released a (German but easy to understand) video of their G36 upgrade receiver.

Idea seems to be that the aluminum receiver improves thermal stability and reduces shot dispersion. 


From: DavidPawley


It’s the obvious solution, one I thought about when the polymer receiver / steel trunnion interface came up as an issue - odd that hk didn’t have it up their sleeve as a backup.


From: taschoene


There is an English version as well,:  INterestingly, this shows a slightly different modification, with a different top rail and a new integrated frontend (the Wilcox Fusion system, which integrates laser, flashlight, and optics, described here: )

By the time you make all the optional changes (barrel, fore-end and top rail, and magwell), the only original parts remaining seem to the fire control group (trigger and grip) and the buttstock.

Any sense of what the swap would do to the overall weight?  


From: renatohm


Here comes the eternal debate - which is better, red dot + magnifier, LPVO or fixed low magnification telescopic?


From: taschoene



The round counter that reports via "encrypted cell phone" raised an eyebrow for me.  I'm not sure how this is implemented, but the last thing I want is a rifle that phones home from the battlefield in real-time.  It's  not that hard to geolocate a cell phone signal, encrypted or not.  

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)


I am quite certain that the round counter is for maintenance purposes an HF RFID that you can read at hands length no more.


From: taschoene


You would think so, but it specifically says "ties back through the encrypted cell phone with Blueforce BTAC System."  That seems a little more active than the FN SmartCore, for example.