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LMAO Germany adopts an AR-15   Small Arms <20mm

Started 14/9/20 by QuintusO; 43113 views.
renatohm

From: renatohm

28-Jun

What a mess... and it hasn't even finished yet!

In reply toRe: msg 193
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

24-Sep

Steyr continues to promote their G36 upgrade, both for Germany and also with hopes of Spain and Lithuania:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/09/23/first-look-steyr-wilcoxs-g62/

A new, nice rifle would be ideal, but the Steyr G62 kit does look perfectly serviceable / may be a better stopgap option for the next 10-15 years while NGSW and its related technologies sort themselves out and are better understood. 

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

24-Sep

AFAIK Spanish Army is not going to acquire such upgrade. They are satisfied with G36 as it is now.

there are rumors about different polymer compounds used with Spanish and German G36 furniture. Anyways, there is no money for such upgrade 

In reply toRe: msg 195
tidusyuki

From: tidusyuki

10-Oct

https://www.metroseoul.co.kr/article/20210714500094

Apparently, germany isn't the only one that has some problems with procurements and the whole H&K 416 patent fiasco. South korean have recently suffered major problem in their procurement programs. the plan to replace their K1 with a new AR15 based rifle was cancelled due to some internal problems. the funny thing is the rifle was said to be heavily based on the HK416 lol. Seems like military procurement is just a mess no matter which country.

 

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

10-Oct

Western democracies need to change a lot of aspects of such processes. And European democracies add injuries to the insult under the form of sisiphic certification processes and methastasizing growing of normatives and eurorules. As one engineer friend of mine says, "UAS normatives are being written by the enemy"

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

29-Nov

Well, the G36 replacement may be stalled, but Germany has decided on an optic, the 1-4x ELCAN. Overall a decent but unspectacular choice. 

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_november_2021_global_security_army_industry/raytheon_elcan_teams_with_leonardo_germany_to_deliver_main_combat_sights_to_the_bundeswehr.html

Raytheon ELCAN, a Raytheon Technologies subsidiary, and LEONARDO Germany, a Leonardo SpA subsidiary, were awarded a contract for 107,929 sights to provide the main combat sight (HKV) for the German Armed Forces.

tidusyuki

From: tidusyuki

30-Nov

Any news about HK433? Does it still on development? Really curious about the final design.

Afaik there has been many changes done to the receivers

BruhMomento

From: BruhMomento

30-Nov

they changed reciever? cool

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

30-Nov

I find it absurd. They should have adquired the lowest number of optic possible for really first line units and wait for market development.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

1-Dec

poliorcetes said:

They should have adquired the lowest number of optic possible for really first line units and wait for market development

It does seem like they are putting the cart before the horse buying the optics before they've even sorted out the rifle situation. 

And yes, given the developments with smart optics, and even just the continued refinement of 1-6x and 1-8x optics, it does seem an odd choice to go alllll in on the pretty dated Spectre 1-4x, which was introduced in 2003. 

On the flipside though, the Spectre is reportedly a very sharp, durable optic, which offers pretty comparable performance to a RDS + 4X ACOG in a single, non ITAR optic. So certainly better then the legacy Hensholdt G36 optic, or just mounting an Aimpoint RDS. 

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