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LMAO Germany adopts an AR-15   Small Arms <20mm

Started 14/9/20 by QuintusO; 99866 views.
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

4-Dec

roguetechie said:

Oh man how the hell is the gun 7.7 pounds with a 13" bbl and such a short handguard?!

That does seem a bit heavy; the 14.5" H&K 433 is 7.5lbs:

https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/assault-rifles/hk433/hk433/technical-data.html

I still want one. 

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

4-Dec

So it's only a bit heavy if Howa is weighing guns like many unscrupulous gun companies in the states and Europe weigh their guns (entirely naked and no empty mag etc) AND if that 3.5 kg weight figure isn't someone just rounding to the nearest half kilogram which people also apparently do sometimes.

Considering how thick the bbl profile looks under the handguard it's likely fairly close to right for the "as equipped weight" which may include empty mag the buis and potentially the rail covers and grip pod.

All the same though, it's a very good looking gun and I'd love to have one even if she is a little chunky.

stancrist

From: stancrist

5-Dec

gatnerd said:

I'd be surprised but pleased though if they were using m855a1.

Since they're doing a number of upgrades to their military, it is possible they did decide to use M855A1.

However, I agree with you.  More likely they are just continuing to use their version of M855/SS109 FMJ.

  • Edited 05 December 2021 22:20  by  stancrist
In reply toRe: msg 225
Guardsman26

From: Guardsman26

9-Dec

Since Heckler & Koch changed hands 18 months ago, it has been recapitalised while new management has returned the company to profitability. Emmerich will like the fact that the new owner is French and is interested in long-term performance more than short-term profits. Manufacturing is back on a proper footing. Investment in new manufacturing and R&D has taken lace. The Company is no longer in the news. All of which represents a turnaround of epic proportions that has restored the German Government's confidence. The hiatus over the Bundeswehr's new rifle contract has allowed further development work on the HK433 to take place. However, the Bundeswehr may still select the HK416 anyway. I hope the HK433 will be chosen. it is a superb piece of engineering with the best bits of the G3, G36 and HK416.  The Bundeswehr is wisely waiting to see in which direction the US Army goes before making a final decision. My money is on a less powerful version of the  SIG hybrid cartridge in 6.8 mm or 6.5 mm. 

stancrist

From: stancrist

9-Dec

Guardsman26 said:

My money is on a less powerful version of the  SIG hybrid cartridge in 6.8 mm or 6.5 mm.

Do you mean that the US Army will adopt a downloaded 6.8x51 SIG, or that Germany will?

Guardsman26

From: Guardsman26

9-Dec

I expect the USA to adopt a less powerful version of the SIG 6.8 x 51 mm and for Germany (and the UK) to follow. I understand that the US Army is already testing a 6.5 x 51 mm prototype in SIG guns. 

stancrist

From: stancrist

9-Dec

Very interesting.  Thanks!

In reply toRe: msg 229
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

4-Mar

H&K has displayed an updated version of the HK433; perhaps driven by German military suggestions:

https://soldiersystems.net/2022/03/02/enforce-tac-heckler-koch-hk433-updates/

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

4-Mar

So far no decision has been made.

If a new rifle will be adopted and if yes which one remains to be seen.

Currently it seems rifles are not particulary high on the Priorität list.

Since there are now significant funds available it is even possible a new program is startet for a complete new design to 100 % match the requirement.   

Wessels3

From: Wessels3

6-Mar

Since there are now significant funds available it is even possible a new program is startet for a complete new design to 100 % match the requirement.   

My God, I hope not! That will take at least 2 years again! Surely there are enough rifles designs on the market now to enable the German Army to choose SOMETHING! With the urgency arising from the Ukranian fiasco, and the additional money now available, surely they'll quickly make a choice and start production?

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