Military Guns and Ammunition

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LMAO Germany adopts an AR-15   Small Arms <20mm

Started 14/9/20 by QuintusO; 107637 views.

From: Farmplinker


Chinese NV for Russian jet engines?


From: gatnerd


Wessels3 said:

It seems that Western strategists feel that the two big threats are Russia and China and that the intention is that Russia would be contained by Europe, once Europe has upscaled sufficiently, while the US, aided by Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, etc. would (try to) keep China in check

Thats the vibe I've been getting as well.

The 'Abraham Accords' in the middle east was part of this goal to free up attention for China. Basically pave the way to create a security/economic allaince/bloc with Israel + Sunni Middle East where they can all work together to contain Iran and police their neighborhood, with the US providing an overall backstop in terms of political, intelligence, and military assistance. 

No doubt the US would love to see NATO (continental nato aka EU) shift into that direction. EU forces provide boots on the ground / primary combat force vis a vis Russia, while the US provides overall coordination and specialized capabilities (Surveillance, Intel, Space based assets, logistics, shared US warstocks of PGM's, Stealth strike aircraft, etc). But in terms of US boots on the ground, just serve as 'bailout' force to intervene should NATO be overwhelmed. 

However thats a ways off, and the US does not currently have a solidified bipartisan Grand Strategy the way it did during the Cold War. 


From: gatnerd


Farmplinker said:

Chinese NV for Russian jet engines

Thats possible. I was thinking a more basic 'fur for muskets' arrangement would be done though if China decides to try and re-arm Russia as a decoy proxyforce.

XYZ quantity of Oil or Nat Gas for XYZ quantity of weapons (Drones, PGM's, etc). 

In reply toRe: msg 247

From: gatnerd


In terms of how the $100 Billion from Germany may be spent (rifles are indeed not the top priority):


From: roguetechie


Hj12 red dragons showing up in quantity on the back of Russian uaz patriots manned by guys in chicryes with chinese level 4 plates could get extremely spicy pretty quickly.

Also the Chinese seem to be pushing hard towards digital NV which they are equipped to drown the west's enemies In should they make a breakthrough.

All around we're looking at pretty scary times ahead...

For example, did you know that Ukraine is a positively shocking amount of the west's semiconductor grade neon supply? (I've seen numbers between 70&90%)

Then there's the food and fertilizer situation which is... Very concerning.

While I can understand the focus on defense budgets especially here, we could be looking at a situation where all the defense spending in the world could be moot fairly easily.

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From: manimal87


I would love to see a direct MG42 successor


From: gatnerd


manimal87 said:

I would love to see a direct MG42 successor

Thats actually what Germany and Austria use - the MG3:

  • Edited 23 March 2022 12:14  by  gatnerd

From: roguetechie


I give you the rheinmetal mg60 

This was an mg45 derivative like the cetme Amelia and semi promising.

I imagine you could modernize this even further fairly easily to get you what you want in a reasonable form factor and weight these days.

Any particular reason you want such a direct successor though?

The aesthetic is a valid answer btw 


From: JPeelen


At the heart of German successful machine gun philosophy is the high rate of fire, as first implemented in MG34 (the low rate of fire switch of early MG34s was dropped after 2300 weapons), culminating in still faster firing MG42.

The Austrian MG74 as well as the Rheinmetall MG60 use a slow rate of fire and therefore cannot be seen as continuing the  MG42/MG1/MG3 line of machine guns. 

The problem Bundeswehr has is that existing MG3 stocks were largely destroyed after the end of the Cold War. Rheinmetall did the same with their manufacturing line. 

Because the stamping technology is lost, MG3 revceivers are currently made by milling two halves which are then welded together.         


From: SiverSurfeR


The AMELI’s shape resembles the MG42 machine gun but the similarities are external only. While the MG42 uses the short recoil, roller locked system (where the barrel and bolt recoil together a short distance before separating), the AMELI employs a roller-delayed blowback action with a fixed barrel and a fluted chamber.