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Dagny Dagger   Ammunition <20mm

Started 10-Oct by autogun; 958 views.
Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

11-Oct

Virtually all rifle rounds will penetrate light body armor. So will sabot slugs from a shotgun. Do you wish to ban civilians from owning most long guns?

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

11-Oct

There have been a few cases of criminals wearing armor. There have been more incidents where body armor has been seized during investigations, but it wasn't being worn.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

12-Oct

They actually have been being arrested with body armor heavily for quite awhile now.

And that was even before this year and the riots happening several places where it's trivially easy to find Twitter strings showing "protestors" requesting that their supporters purchase and send them body armor and their supporters dutifully complying and sending both 3a and rifle rated soft/hard armor and ballistic helmets in very large quantities.

People can poo poo this all they want but the people who do have Actively chosen not to seek out information on whether this is a real and pressing threat or not.

This is in addition to the shockingly routine and shockingly large interceptions of full auto weapons parts body armor and other very illegal things going to very questionable people.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

12-Oct

Yes they are APHP rounds loosely based around the same concepts and construction of some Russian AP pistol ammo.

I'm actually in line for a preproduction box so I'll keep you guys posted if and when I get mine.

Mustrakrakis

From: Mustrakrakis

13-Oct

poliorcetes said:

I just cannot identify any meaningful justification of putting AP rounds in civilian private hands

Why should a meaningful justification be required?

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

13-Oct

I'm a fan of exotic AP pistol ammunition.

My main objection to the Dagny is that its deliberately provocative - designed to grab attention - and will likely result in new legislation being crafted that expands the definition of what constitutes 'AP' - likely resulting in the banning of a number of unrelated but useful projectiles. 

Whereas previous kevlar penetrating, legal bullets were extremely careful not to make any mention of that capability - allowing those in the know to have that ability, without creating any backlash. 

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

13-Oct

Being inoffensive and sub Rosa has done nothing but cost us more and more ground.

Especially because there are manufacturers out there who depend on DOD and Leo contracts as their bread and butter who have been willing to sell us down the river.

I very much agree with what they're doing why and how they're going about it.

At the Crux of this are very stupid very badly written laws and policies that were and are designed as a means of shadow gun control by progressively marching things like environmental regulations and other policies up to the gates and by default creating a situation where it will eventually become cost prohibitive or outright impossible to make ammo for civilians.

In that respect, drawing attention to this is a very good thing.

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