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PDW again   Small Arms <20mm

Started 20/12/20 by DavidPawley; 197616 views.

From: stancrist


DavidPawley said:

PDW, not rifle. CQB, self-defence, not long-range musketry.

It's actually SBR, not PDW.  And CQB, not self-defence.

The question was about a bullpup for special forces.

SF is primarily about offensive action, not defensive.

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DavidPawley said:

Control of the weapon when some fucker is trying to rip it out of your hands and stab you...

Unless he has three or four hands, it seems rather improbable that he is trying to do both at the same time.  smile

And in the event of such a scenario, it looks like a bullpup would be easier to retain -- and offer less area for said fucker to grab -- than a conventional rifle.

DavidPawley said:

At any rate, I strongly oppose the suggestion that the Q Honey Badger would be improved as a PDW by being a bullpup.

As a PDW, I doubt that it would make a significant difference either way.

As a CQB weapon for special forces, I think it might be noticeably better.

P.S.  I think that the original question did not really belong in this thread.  


From: EmericD


gatnerd said:

Having the weight forward of the pistol grip also minimizes the amount of weight / stability the shoulder can offer, giving most of the burden of stabilizing the rifle to the much more wobbly and fatiguable arms.  Having a neutral or rearward weight distribution means a good % of the rifles weight ends up being supported by the friction of the stock against the shoulder. This reduces the effort needed by the shooters arms to support the rifle, and allows the rifle to be supported one handed when needed. 

Just to add a point, a "front heavy" rifle have a higher moment of inertia than a "rear heavy" (bullpup) rifle, so if you need more effort to swing the rifle and switch from a target to another, a front heavy rifle will be more stable when firing full-auto.


From: stancrist


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From: smg762


if you wanted an MP9 but wanted it slimmer in a holster, is it better for the gun to have a telescope or AK vertical stock?


From: stancrist


I am assuming that by AK "vertical" stock you refer to the underfolding stock shown below:

It looks to me like an AK-type underfolder may not be compatible with the MP9 configuration:

Even if an underfolder would work on the MP9, I think a telescoping stock would be slightly slimmer.


From: gatnerd


B&T has come out with a fun PDW, that uses the fire control group and slide of the SIG P320 (now sidearm of the US and a few others) to create a handy little PDW.

Not much if any advantage over the B&T USW or the Flux Raider (both of which are also P320 derived) but cool none the less. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)


The whole point in these covert arms in Cold War was they could pass off as some everyday object like a portable radio. Today that utility is kinda lost as we are not carrying around ghettoblasters anymore, that is probably one of the reasons why Magpul did not release their variant .

At some point the whole folding thing is border line in terms of reduced profile vs added complexity


From: VPMudde


Magpul described theirs as a 'laptop battery' but even those are not a thing anymore.


From: stancrist


Calling the B&T BWC a "PDW" is -- how shall I put it? -- extremely generous.

The BWC is much too complex and fragile to be a serious PDW contender.

Indeed, BWC is an acronym of a rather unserious name:  Because We Can.

The apparent market is not military PDW use, but secret agent wannabees.

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