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Interesting video on NATO PDW Trials   Small Arms <20mm

Started 5/11/21 by nincomp; 4608 views.
roguetechie

From: roguetechie

9/11/21

Yup lol, I'm hoping I can find a masterpiece arms barrel to put in some of my initial monstrosities...

Sorta not looking forward to sourcing or doing my own 22 tcm barrel from a blank if it comes to that but oh man will the results be worth it if I can make something that works half decent!

I also have some interesting ideas on potential operating systems that'll have to wait until further in to try too...

Suffice it to say that I intend to leave less stones unturned by the end of this

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

9/11/21

Their MP 380 is also definitely an inspiration of mine along with some early kellgren guns.

I consider myself lucky In that respect because there's All kinds of phenomenal ideas that I just need to aggregate and put into a single gun.

Not as exciting or cool as designing something completely from scratch but still a task worth doing.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

12/11/21

My new 3d printer and some parts for my other machines arrive between this Friday and next. It'll probably be another 2 weeks to a month after that of assembly, debugging, and workup then the fun can really start.

If it's ok with you I'll just use this topic as my build log etc.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

12/11/21

That sounds great to me. 3D printing is a cool and emerging firearms tech, especially for rapid prototyping, so I think having members here printing gats would be well in keeping with the overall discussion of current and emerging small arms. Not to mention, just being cool as hell ;-)

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

12/11/21

Yeah, I agree.

3d printing is far from a panacea but it has it's uses for this stuff

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

16/11/21

Update, I have the printer kit here finally. Now to build it.

Oh, and I was turned on to a different control system/scheme to use which should massively improve my prints from day one called Klipp3r which uses a Linux stick pc or something else with an ARM processor to establish more open loop control of the extruders and etc.

I've also found myself a better laser option that I won't outgrow as quickly.

New plan as follows.

Dual Bowden extruder setup, direct drive (possibly dual direct drive setup), and laser capable of limited laser cutting/scoring of 1mm sheet steel etc.

I've also got parts coming for the mill over the next two weeks.

This should get me to the capability level necessary to do what I've set out to do here.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

17/11/21

Very cool. Keep us posted. I always wanted to get into 3d printing but lack the CAD skills for that. 

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

17/11/21

It's way easier than you think, I can almost guarantee that.

I'm not anyone special or anywhere close to a mechanical engineer and I can do it... Hell there's even freecad packages with flowsims now!

Part of why I'm doing this is to encourage others.

Here's a picture of my basement. The 3d printer is in the box by the laundry basket.

As you can see, it really doesn't take much to get started.

stancrist

From: stancrist

17/11/21

Ha!  It takes more space than I have available.  Your basement is bigger than my apartment...

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

18/11/21

That's one of the things I'll be working on in the process of this Stan.

Just so you know though, if I had a bigger budget they sell desktop multi machines that are part >3 axis mill, 3d printer, and laser cutter. They run about $3800 for something that can handle essentially 10x10x10 inch projects.

Because my interests are varied though and I'm going to be making custom trim parts etc for cars as well to at least partially defray the cost of my hobbies, I had to go a different route.

In Many ways my setup isn't ideal, just looking at the harbor freight drill press with a harbor freight milling vise "custom installed" on it's base plate that I've been doing AR receivers and pistol builds with should make that clear. Especially when you see the second vise also "custom installed" to the actual drill table that I use to hold my AR vice blocks and etc LMFAO!

Anyone who has used an HF milling vice is probably wincing right now because to say that it can get a little dodgy is the understatement of the century.

The reason I didn't just save a bit more money and buy one of the all in one machines comes down in a lot of ways to my actual enjoyment I get from putting together tools and solutions and figuring things out.

Frankly I'm having unreasonable amounts of fun figuring out how to use what I have to make my next batch of tools and upgrades . Plus this all really kicked off when someone I know who I showed things I did with my ultimately dodgy drill press setup and their response was they never would have known I was using something so dodgy if I hadn't showed them because the work I've been doing turns out really nice. (takes me unreasonable amounts of time and setup but apparently I produce very nice work) having people around me that believe I can do things to make this easier for other people to do definitely pushed me in a direction where I'm not just looking to make fun little projects for myself but also do discover better ways to do things for others.

I find joy and peace in all of this. I want other people to do so too. Maybe that's weird I dunno, but it's what I'm going to do.

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