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Canadian Forces looking for a pistol replacement. Czech mate?   Small Arms <20mm

Started 28-Jan by SiverSurfeR; 3857 views.
SiverSurfeR

From: SiverSurfeR

28-Jan

Pricetag may be a non issue. The new C6, basically a MAG-58 with a polymer buttstock costs $26,000 a piece because other gear and spare parts are being bought at the same time. Total acquisition was 8,790 items, including 3,626 C6s and over 5,000 supplementary items like spare parts, cleaning and repair kits, slings, etc.

Thats speaks about the real cost of maintaining a degree of sovereignty in small arms.
With non-competitive contracts awarded to Colt Canada under the Munitions Supply Program such as this one or the bolt action rifle replacement for the Arctic Rangers, we may see more of a focus towards complete intellectual property over the product than a costs competitive bid. That's where CZ catalog could bring a bit of fresh air to an almost two decades procurement stale atmosphere.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

29-Jan

A P10F with its 19+1 capacity and good ergos would be an interesting choice.

SiverSurfeR

From: SiverSurfeR

30-Jan

I do agree. The (F)ull size looks like a solid option. Grown out of a great gun series from a well reputed manufacturer but up to date in materials and ergonomics. Not sure about the mag. The C version is definitely not in house (Mec- Gar) but a proprietary one whereas the IP would apply shouldn't be much of a problem. Glock and Sig are not willing to throw up the towel. Is a matter of how much are willing to surrender to Colt Canada production. IMHO this should have done a long, long time ago and under another contracting system but hopefully we'll see the light this year.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

30-Jan

The 19rd are Mecgar as well; I have a P09 that uses the same mags. Mecgar makes most of the markets metal pistol mags, I’d be surprised if they didn’t just get them from them as they are the most reliable.

SiverSurfeR

From: SiverSurfeR

30-Jan


Indeed, with more than 200 different models of pistol magazines and more than 100 million units made since 1965 they're obviously doing something right. Such volume requires serious attention to detail and quality control.

So far a couple trains were missed in the neverending BHP replacement. A rather shy purchase of P-225s in the past that should have been expanded and a more recent sole source purchase attempt from the same manufacturer only to be duly contested in legal trappings. Procurement being in an urgent need of reshaping. The jokes around here even point out to Norinco, Lol.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

31-Jan

Considering how many Browning hi powers are on offer at shot show this year, they could conceivably replace the hi power with the hi power lol

SiverSurfeR

From: SiverSurfeR

31-Jan

Absolutely. But they'd be out of current ergonomic demands and what-not. Having torpedoed any gun manufacturer in town the feds at least should take a look at things like Black Creek in order to compensate for their policies (it won't happen,  of coirse). 

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

31-Jan

How much would FN charge for the Mk. III Hi-Power TDP? 

SiverSurfeR

From: SiverSurfeR

31-Jan

Even better, perhaps big name appliance manufacturer "Whirlpool" could provide that TDP.  Probably is collecting dust at the bottom of a safe in a Toronto basement. They acquired control of Inglis in 1987 and changed the company's name to Whirlpool Canada in 2001. Today the Inglis brand still  survives under Whirlpool. Back in March 1938, as many of you know, Inglis won a contract to supply 5,000 Bren machine guns to Great Britain and 7,000 to Canada starting in 1940. Three years laters they were producing 60% of the Bren guns destined for the British Commonwealth forces, and 30% of the British Army together with a large share of the Polsten 20 mm autocannon and, of course, the Browning Hi-Power with many of them going to China (hello NP-18). Inglis went onto appliance business after the war but also produced machinery for the Tribal-class destroyers. 

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

1-Feb

marked Hi-Power.I would buy a Whirlpool 

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