Being an old SPD member I hate to agree with you. But it had its day. The Greens are the future.

graylion said:

The Greens are the future.

This thought is outright scary!

nope ;)

Oh yes!
And scary is very mild and reserved.
We talk about people who have only one topic and are allmost completly detached from reality. They are docmatic to the point of pseudo religion. Just as with any religion scientific facts have no meaning for them. Their decisions are entirly based on their dogma and they equal it with truth and the moral good. As a direct result large parts of the base of the green party are anti democratic and thus potentially dangerous.

If they are the future... its a very dark one.

I heartily disagree, but this argument does not belong here.

schnuersi said:

heir decisions are entirly based on their dogma and they equal it with truth and the moral good.

I'm not too hip with German politics as a whole, but as a nuclear power fan, I've come across many an article about the Greens absurdly dogmatic anti-nuclear stance. Which of course is anything but 'green' as nuclear is the most successful carbon free energy production method.

This one from today - even in the face of a looming energy crisis due to Ukraine war, they still wont keep the existing nuclear plants open:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/german-minister-rules-out-keeping-nuclear-plants-running-save-gas-2022-08-21/

This anti nuclear dogma apparently extends to viewing Lignite Coal - one of the most C02 emitting of all power sources - as 'greener' then coal. 

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In Germany's defense though, US 'green' activists are no less dogmatic or impractical. 

Pretty amusing / interesting. Ukraine is buying oversized drones from Aliexpress, and turning them into sort of RC Cruise Missiles / suicide drones to strike inside Crimea. This is much further then we've seen other drones employed.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-shadowy-long-range-kamakaze-drone-strikes-again

Whether this is an indictment of Russian air defense, or a worrying portent to the danger DIY armed drones pose to the world, remains to be seen. 

Both can be true at the same time

gatnerd said:

I'm not too hip with German politics as a whole, but as a nuclear power fan, I've come across many an article about the Greens absurdly dogmatic anti-nuclear stance. Which of course is anything but 'green' as nuclear is the most successful carbon free energy production method.

This is one of the sympthomes of their mindset. They are driven by their dogma wich in turn is based on fear. This results in them being unable to think things trough, accept scientific and techological reality and prevent any realistic long term planing and strategy.
If their well meant "plans" fail, which they allways do, they do not rethink but only react agry and try to force the matter.
They lack common sense and a lot of them do think the end justifies the means. Which reaults in extreme and anti democratic behavious. Its really the fundamentalist mindset.
The Greens also are and have been part of several state governments. Again they allways failed and are failing. They run the state down. Cause massive problems and loss of wealth without anything to show for.

The irony is the Greens in general are actually making the climate change problem worse and prevent any realistic approch to a solution. It would be rediculous if it wasn't that sad.

gatnerd said:

This anti nuclear dogma apparently extends to viewing Lignite Coal - one of the most C02 emitting of all power sources - as 'greener' then coal.

No that is not really it. The brown coal power plants are just the last coal plants that are still locally supplied. Since the regular coal production has been shut down allready. The brown coal strip mining is highly automatised and very efficient. Its basically the cheapest method of power generation by far. This fact is the reason why these are the last large scale coal plants which are still running. They are used to compensate for the enourmus price of the renewable. To keep the price of electricity bearable.
There also further factors. I grew up and currently live in the far West of Germany. The western strip mining area is not far from my home town (~40 km). Its a very rual region with little industry. Once the coal mines and power plants are shut down the region will face an economic nosedive. The resulting problem will be massive and last for decades. If they can be adressed at all.
The Greens do not like the brown coal but they had to swallow the fact that it will be run for a couple more years. There simply is no alternative. Never the less they try to throw sand into the gears at every possible opportunity. Following their mindset: why do we need powerplants, electricity can be drawn from a wall socket.

The miners and power plant technicians can all work in wind and solar!

Of course, when you point out to certain people that 1. it won't employ as many people, and 2. The fewer jobs will pay less to the workers, they accuse you of being a "climate denier".