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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 282310 views.
Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

26-Jan

Well, the T-72 hasn't exactly covered itself in glory. So giving yours to Ukraine and replacing them with M1Ax, K2, or Leopard seems like a good idea.

And most Europeans would prefer being under the American thumb than the Russian one.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26-Jan

FPV drone + RPG7 warhead = poor mans ATGM

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

26-Jan

It seems a larger Lancet 10 with more range and payload apeared

Chicken wire seems to be somewhat of counter to suicidedrones 

Note grenades from two grenade launchers hitting the trees very close  in  due to a higher trajectory in comparison to the 30mm 

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/36884

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/76471

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26-Jan

“Chicken wire seems to be somewhat of counter to suicidedrones“

Nyet Net > Cope Cage

Its funny, I had thought months ago nets would be a possible counter to the smaller drones. I had envisioned the nets used in baseball stadiums and Golf driving ranges to catch stray balls. However using chain link fence seems like a fine DIY option.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

27-Jan

More BMPT Terminator action. This thing would be really scary 

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

27-Jan

gatnerd said:

More BMPT Terminator action. This thing would be really scary

I am not convinced that the footage is from actual combat. To me it seems like they are just shooting up some trees.

The whole concepts to me seems more flawed as time goes on.
In UA ACs have been proven themself to be very potent and effective. But you don't need a tank to carry one as main weapon. Dual guns also seem unnecessary unless we talk about AA use where ROF is very important.
 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

27-Jan

The second video that i posted shows some BMDs with ZSU 23 joining in, might be in combat but as you can see the grenade launcher hitting the trees they are shooting at something relatively far away, and hence mostly felling the trees.

A vid from a same sector of the front ,tanks and BMDs operating inside a forested area , lots of tree chopping. ROF on these 30mm cannons on BMD makes one wonder how much ammo do they have to feed it.

https://t.me/voenacher/38558

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

28-Jan

schnuersi said:

The whole concepts to me seems more flawed as time goes on. In UA ACs have been proven themself to be very potent and effective. But you don't need a tank to carry one as main weapon. Dual guns also seem unnecessary unless we talk about AA use where ROF is very important

I agree from a kills per pound factor, a few airbusting 30mm AC shells from a single cannon seems like all thats really necessary for anti personel trench clearing. 

But the psychological effect I think is worth evaluating. This tank with dual, rapid fire autocannons firing nothing but tracers is absolutely terrifying, and I think could very well induce soldiers / insurgents to call it day in an area in which it appears vs trying to take it on. 

Sort of like the flamethrower tank. 

That said, if it had a dual ground attack / AA drone/helicopter defense ability, it would be a lot more useful.

  • Edited 28 January 2023 21:47  by  gatnerd
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

28-Jan

Some pics of the current crop of 'FPV' suicide drones. Reported cost is only $400, and are reportedly quite effective against lighter vehicles.

Given the low cost of these drones and ubiquity of RPG7 type warheads world wide, I suspect we will see these used in many other areas around the globe. 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

28-Jan

While German re-armament seems somewhat languid, Rheinmetall hasn't been wasting a moment:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/rheinmetall-eyes-boost-munitions-output-himars-production-germany-ceo-2023-01-28/

Plans to

-Boost 120mm Tank ammo to 240,000 shells per year

-Increase 155mm artillery to 500,000 shells per year

-New medium caliber / 35mm ammo factory for Gephard opens this year

-Possibly make build HIMARS launchers and/or Rockets 

-May open a new Powder Plant, but needs Federal $ for investment 

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