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Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 278845 views.

Msg 1467 of 1918

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From: gatnerd

27-Jan

More BMPT Terminator action. This thing would be really scary

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From: schnuersi

27-Jan

gatnerd said:
More BMPT Terminator action. This thing would be really scary

I am not convinced that the footage is from actual combat. To me it seems like they are just shooting up some trees.

The whole concepts to me seems more flawed as time goes on.
In UA ACs have been proven themself to be very potent and effective. But you don't need a tank to carry one as main weapon. Dual guns also seem unnecessary unless we talk about AA use where ROF is very important.

Msg 1469 of 1918 to schnuersischnuersi

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From: Mr. T (MrT4)

27-Jan

The second video that i posted shows some BMDs with ZSU 23 joining in, might be in combat but as you can see the grenade launcher hitting the trees they are shooting at something relatively far away, and hence mostly felling the trees.

A vid from a same sector of the front ,tanks and BMDs operating inside a forested area , lots of tree chopping. ROF on these 30mm cannons on BMD makes one wonder how much ammo do they have to feed it.

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From: gatnerd

28-Jan

schnuersi said:
The whole concepts to me seems more flawed as time goes on. In UA ACs have been proven themself to be very potent and effective. But you don't need a tank to carry one as main weapon. Dual guns also seem unnecessary unless we talk about AA use where ROF is very important

I agree from a kills per pound factor, a few airbusting 30mm AC shells from a single cannon seems like all thats really necessary for anti personel trench clearing.

But the psychological effect I think is worth evaluating. This tank with dual, rapid fire autocannons firing nothing but tracers is absolutely terrifying, and I think could very well induce soldiers / insurgents to call it day in an area in which it appears vs trying to take it on.

Sort of like the flamethrower tank.

That said, if it had a dual ground attack / AA drone/helicopter defense ability, it would be a lot more useful.

Edited 28 January 2023 21:47 by gatnerd

Msg 1471 of 1918

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From: gatnerd

28-Jan

Some pics of the current crop of 'FPV' suicide drones. Reported cost is only $400, and are reportedly quite effective against lighter vehicles.

Given the low cost of these drones and ubiquity of RPG7 type warheads world wide, I suspect we will see these used in many other areas around the globe.

Msg 1472 of 1918

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From: gatnerd

28-Jan

While German re-armament seems somewhat languid, Rheinmetall hasn't been wasting a moment:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/rheinmetall-eyes-boost-munitions-output-himars-production-germany-ceo-2023-01-28/

Plans to

-Boost 120mm Tank ammo to 240,000 shells per year

-Increase 155mm artillery to 500,000 shells per year

-New medium caliber / 35mm ammo factory for Gephard opens this year

-Possibly make build HIMARS launchers and/or Rockets

-May open a new Powder Plant, but needs Federal $ for investment

Msg 1473 of 1918 to gatnerdgatnerd

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From: Farmplinker

29-Jan

Honestly, the US needs a new energetics plant or two.

Msg 1474 of 1918 to gatnerdgatnerd

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From: schnuersi

29-Jan

gatnerd said:
But the psychological effect I think is worth evaluating. This tank with dual, rapid fire autocannons firing nothing but tracers is absolutely terrifying, and I think could very well induce soldiers / insurgents to call it day in an area in which it appears vs trying to take it on.

If this is what you are going for you don't need two 30 mm and no 50 t vehicle.
A single 20 mm Rh202 loaded with HEI will do fine and this gun can be mounted on much smaller vehicles. In Afghanistan the German troops experienced an effect similar to what you describe as soon as 20 mm AC armed vehicles engaged or after some time and experience even as soon as they showed up on the scene. The insurgents immediatly disengaged.

A single Rh202 has about the ROF of the two 30 mm of the BMPT. Usually all rounds are with tracers. If they fire bursts its quite a spectacle.

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SPz Marder Gefechtsschießen Griffin Sword TrÜbPl Jägerbrück

Griffin Sword: SPz Marder Gefechtsschießen mit Leuchtspur auf dem Truppenübungsplatz Jägerbrück bei Torgelow.

No HEI just TP. So you have to immagine all the small explosions. On German shooting ranges the use of any sort of HE round usually is forbidden.

Msg 1475 of 1918 to gatnerdgatnerd

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From: schnuersi

29-Jan

gatnerd said:
While German re-armament seems somewhat languid

Its out right not existent.
So far now oders have been placed and no funds allocated. Let alone spend.
Not even to replace the stuff that allready went to UA allready. Most of the ammo delivered has not been paied either. Currently the German Government is in dept at the Defense Industry. Who funny enough last week started to threaten legal action.
Its a complete and utter cluster fuck.