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From: stancrist
6/6/23
"Russia asserts that it has the world's second most powerful military, and a number of people believe them. But now people are saying that Russia is the second most powerful military in Ukraine."
While in Helsinki, Secretary of State Blinken got some chuckles from the crowd (and me) when he said, "The Kremlin often claimed it had the second strongest ...
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
6/6/23
Gap between the first and next militaries is huge given that US outspends 15+ next countries combined year after year , combining all domains Russia it still easily the world's second military, Ukraine is not even a contender, what we see in Ukraine is Ukrainian men running on money, supply and ISR of the whole of NATO combined and barely scraping together arms and ammunition from all corners of the globe to keep Ukraine in the fright while Ukrainians pay in hundreds of thousands of lives for amusement of these idiots. And it could be into millions of lives at any time without being able to do anything about it. So its not even a theoretical question, but you could similarly claim US was the second power in Afghanistan after the Taliban and laugh it up and have some Zeihan chuckle over it in August 21 extra hard after they kill an aid worker and a bunch of kids out of sheer incompetence as an last acto fo Afghan war.
You do understand that making fun of the Russians and boasting of Ukrainian supersoldier is more or less SOP in part of information war aka propaganda .
Zeihan is an absolute tool, bought and paid for talking head a literal defense contractor, that is who gets to speak on these kinds of conferences and think tanks.
Defense contractors basically own airtime over Ukraine and their task is to sell weapons so fan the flames of this war as much as they can.
https://quincyinst.org/report/defense-contractor-funded-think-tanks-dominate-ukraine-debate/
- Edited 06 June 2023 19:06 by Mr. T (MrT4)
From: stancrist
6/6/23
Mr. T (MrT4) said:...what we see in Ukraine is Ukrainian men running on money, supply and ISR of the whole of NATO combined and barely scraping together arms and ammunition from all corners of the globe to keep Ukraine in the fright while Ukrainians pay in hundreds of thousands of lives for amusement of these idiots.
You have a very strange view of Ukrainian response to Russian aggression. Ukrainians chose to fight the invading enemy force, so of course large numbers of Ukrainians are being killed while fighting in defense of their land against a much bigger opponent.
If your country were to be invaded by Russia, would your nation choose to fight or surrender?
Mr. T (MrT4) said:You do understand that making fun of the Russians and boasting of Ukrainian supersoldier is more or less SOP in part of information war aka propaganda
Apparently you do not understand that...
- Edited 07 June 2023 2:10 by stancrist
From: gatnerd
6/6/23
Mr. T (MrT4) said:Russia it still easily the world's second military
Are they still?
I'd think China would be these days.
From: farmplinker2
6/6/23
Who's the customer, if you're allowed to say?
Already have seen armbands in use in Ukraine; probably will increase in the future.
From: stancrist
7/6/23
farmplinker2 said:Who's the customer, if you're allowed to say?
It's public knowledge. (Note: Use closed captions for English translation.)
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From: Mr. T (MrT4)
7/6/23
in practicaly terms at least in regards to conventional forces China is probably ahead, but in a grand total China lacks the whole nuclear trade or more precisely its currently a small trade,but it surely getting there fast.
- Edited 07 June 2023 5:44 by Mr. T (MrT4)
From: gatnerd
7/6/23
More ukraine effect:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/marines-betting-big-on-critical-air-launched-swarming-drones
"Adversaries present new operational and tactical problems that disrupt our current military efforts. Lethal, low-cost, highly proliferated technology provides a reverse offset that can potentially generate an outsized warfighting advantage," the Marine Corps' new Force Design 2030 update says, speaking about the service's modernization efforts generally.
"Simply put, platforms that cost thousands of dollars can defeat platforms that cost millions of dollars. As demonstrated in the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and presently in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, UAS [uncrewed aerial systems] platforms and loitering munitions routinely defeat armor and fighting positions with top-down attacks."...
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Some downside to weapons transfers to Ukraine is reduction in arms available for Taiwan. Among other munitions, it has delayed their order for GLSDB by 3+ years.
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/03/30/ukraine-taiwan-precision-bomb/
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CZ will repair and modernize up to 500 T64 tanks for Ukraine
Also possible CZ will send its Hind helicopters to Ukraine
- Edited 07 June 2023 5:31 by gatnerd
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
7/6/23
stancrist said:You have a very strange view of Ukrainian response to Russian aggression. Ukrainians chose to fight the invading enemy force, so of course large numbers of Ukrainians are being killed while fighting in defense of their land against a much bigger opponent.
Yes Ukraine chose to fight and rightly so but by April or May 2022 would have concluded the war without territorial loss and many human lives lost. Then foreign backers decided that is not what they want and since then war is largely fought as a pure proxy war and no one gives the slightest fuck about Ukraine or Ukrainians beyond their utility to fight Russia. 1y later hundreds of thousands of lives were lost and they are not even close to what would be concluded last year without the paymasters interfering and it doesn't look that will get any better any time soon.
It's a kind of bizarre same clown that was sent to Kiev with the explicit goal to prevent war's end,is sent to Texas to convince the Republicans to stick with the proxy war.
Do you seriously think if Zelensky chooses to negotiate today he would be allowed to come to terms that are not what backers now term as 'just peace' , we have seen how that worked out last year. If the offensive fails and Ukraine has to concede territory and have hundreds of thousands dead and the country wrecked to show for , how do you think that might work out for Zelensky and co?.............. Ukrainians at this moment like Russians are pure cannon fodder . There is no moral high ground to be had by pretending its about and for Ukraine.
Ukrainians are if we use Zeihan references now facing an extinction level (went from 50mio in 91 to 26mio population currently)event that will rival that of Syria thanks to the same set of players. By the way are we sending Tanks and missile to fight US invasion of Syria (US is just building new base in illegally occupied Syria)
One had to chuckle and what 800mio buys you with incompetent fucks like Austin , but it sure bought him a seat at Raytheon and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwxmjs0TKkI
You definitely have to watch Oberst Markus Reisner who continues to by leaps and bounds the best source of analysis of this war(altough i , no one else comes even close (. Folks have not the slightest idea on how and why war went the way it went . Its not even remotely what you see reported 24/7
I think you can probably get the subtitles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYiJzJMb5k
Actually, my country fought an independence war when i was a kid and lucky enough after less than a week much cooler heads prevailed so we actually have direct experience on how things went, could have gone if the 'chicken hawks' were left to do their thing. Things were literally stopped from escalating by front-line commanders disobeying direct orders coming down the chain of command, the from the same dupe that went first to visit Kiev long before everyone started their procession of visits to Kiev .
According to American linguist and political activist, Noam Chomsky, media operate through 5 filters: ownership, advertising, the media elite, flak and the c...
From: EmericD
7/6/23
Mr. T (MrT4) said:Yes Ukraine chose to fight and rightly so but by April or May 2022 would have concluded the war without territorial loss and many human lives lost.
Is that a joke?