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10/7/22
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12/7/22
That was absolutely correct 20 years ago. I don't know what the kids are using these days. I'd assume that it's better now. It was pretty good back then. We weren't hit by a single missile, so I'd argue that it was perfect from my perspective.
Moskva had 6 of these mounts. If someone were to argue that they're so bad that 6 Russian mounts will underperform 2 western mounts, I won't challenge them. I know what and how many was on Moskva, but I have no idea how well they worked. That kind of goes back to my original point. Her demise, when compared with her design criteria, tells a story. It's not a good one, but it's not a new one either.
12/7/22
Pzh2000 using what appear to be BONUS smart 155mm shells.
https://www.baesystems.com/en-us/product/155-bonus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors/Nexter_Bonus
I hadn't realized these were sent to Ukraine, but its a cool and handy design.
12/7/22
EmericD said:I would rate the effectiveness of anti-ship missiles very close to the effectiveness of anti-tank missiles. SAM shot against helicopters are sligthly less effective, but that's probably because even a low flying helicopter is still moving at more than 150 km/h, something no tanks and no boats could do.
Thats something I've been worried about for awhile vis a vis the US presence in the South China Sea / Taiwan showdown scenario.
I'm hoping the US starts focusing more on Cruise Missile Submarines and Cruise Missile Carrier long range aircraft, because I think the current plan of 'we'll just shoot down all the incoming missiles' is doomed for a hard reality check, barring some sort of 'sharks with laser beams on their head' secret development.
12/7/22
gatnerd said:I'm hoping the US starts focusing more on Cruise Missile Submarines and Cruise Missile Carrier long range aircraft, because I think the current plan of 'we'll just shoot down all the incoming missiles' is doomed for a hard reality check, barring some sort of 'sharks with laser beams on their head' secret development.
In the old "Harpoon" video game (that was extremely favorable to Western armies), it was possible to perform the complete "red storm rising" campaign from the Soviet side (eradicating all NATO forces in the Atlantic), without a single soviet loss, using only Tu-95s, Tu-22Ms, and hundreds of AS-4 / AS-6 missiles.
12/7/22
I don't think they use Bonus.
Most likely SMArt 155 has been delivered with the PzH2000.
What can be seen in the video could be the small parachute. But its really to low res to tell.
12/7/22
gatnerd said:because I think the current plan of 'we'll just shoot down all the incoming missiles' is doomed for a hard reality check, barring some sort of 'sharks with laser beams on their head' secret development.
I angree.
Most likely the assumption is that "our" systems are more advanced enough to be able to pull this off.
Personally I find the low number of weapon systems especially short range on allmost all western ships quite concerning. Not only concidering AShM but also swarm attacks with drones, small boats or even small aircraft. The AShM saturation attack has been a thing for decades allready. If we look at the experiences made recently in the anti piracy missions and what happened to some navies around the world in the last decades it almost seems like there is sort of a carelessness and complacency .
12/7/22
schnuersi said:Most likely SMArt 155 has been delivered with the PzH2000.
That makes sense as thats the German load.
Both seem for practical purposes basically identical in function?
12/7/22
gatnerd said:Both seem for practical purposes basically identical in function?
Yes. It makes little difference.
This is the really scary stuff. For a tanker this a nightmare. Even more than DPICM.
12/7/22
I've re-read a rather unusual book: "Ghost Fleet: A Novel of the Next World War", by P.W .Singer and August Cole, published in 2015. It is set a few years into the future, and commences with a brief, devastating (but non-nuclear) assault on US forces by China and Russia, focusing on massive cyber attacks and the destruction of US monitoring and communications satellites. I particularly winced at the description of the problems experienced by high-tech aircraft like the F-35 which are stuffed full of electronic chips, many of which were indirectly sourced from China...
The US loses, with China seizing the Western Pacific including the Hawaiian Islands, and an uneasy cease-fire follows. A few years later, the US is planning its revenge, making heavy use of obsolescent equipment without any suspect electronics.
The authors are professionally involved in the defence field, and it shows. This story is very tech-heavy and mostly quite convincing. A rather unusual touch is a 24-page Endnotes section which provides references for many of the ideas and proposed weapon systems. However, there are hazards in being too specific about such matters: much is made of the "million shots a minute" Metal Storm close-in defence gun.
Worth a read, if only to pick holes in!