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Tracks vs Wheels   General Army topics

Started 26/5/22 by graylion; 30487 views.
In reply toRe: msg 218
graylion

From: graylion

12-Feb

I am also wondering about scout vehicles. I agree with @Schnuersi that the Jaguar sets the standard at the moment, but it is still wheeled. One would need to think about a tracked version.

EmericD

From: EmericD

13-Feb

graylion said:

I am also wondering about scout vehicles. I agree with @Schnuersi that the Jaguar sets the standard at the moment, but it is still wheeled. One would need to think about a tracked version.

One point not adressed in the previous posts, is that it's better to have a wheeled vehicle "where you need it", than tracked vehicles "somewhere between the starting point and where you need them", because said vehicles needed to stop to cool tracks, rollers, broke something, or run out of gas.

Yes, wheeled vehicles can be stuck in difficult terrain, but that is also happening to tracked vehicles (you can even find videos of tracked vehicle stucked into difficult ground, to be hauled with a wheeled farm tractor), and in the long way you will probably have less wheeled vehicles stuck into mud, than tracked vehicles stopped due to part breakage.

And tracked vehicles are "orders of magnitude" noisier than wheeled vehicles, which is not really what you want for a scout.

It's not unusual to detect a tracked vehicle from a distance of more than 1 km, and at the same time miss a wheeled vehicle at 200 m.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

13-Feb

graylion said:

I am kinda wondering, is wheels = LIC and tracks = HIC too simplistic?

I'd say it depends on terrain.

Cyprus, a place I've spent a fair amount of time, the most of the country is basically roads or sunbaked hard earth, with some impassible wooded mountains in the center. 

For HIC against a Turkish invasion, I'm hard pressed to think of many places there Tracks would be an advantage.

Whereas the greater speed / ability to self deploy / less maintenance of wheels would be a boon. 

...

I have never been to Japan or Taiwan, but I wonder whether due to their extreme urbanization if they too would be best with mostly wheeled vehicles for national defense? 

autogun

From: autogun

13-Feb

gatnerd said:

I have never been to Japan or Taiwan, but I wonder whether due to their extreme urbanization if they too would be best with mostly wheeled vehicles for national defense? 

I have read that both Japan and Italy favour wheeled AFVs because they have very long coastlines to defend, and the ability to self-deploy at high speed is valuable.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

13-Feb

Thanks, thats what I had imagined. 

graylion

From: graylion

13-Feb

EmericD said:

  1. One point not adressed in the previous posts, is that it's better to have a wheeled vehicle "where you need it", than tracked vehicles "somewhere between the starting point and where you need them", because said vehicles needed to stop to cool tracks, rollers, broke something, or run out of gas.
  2. Yes, wheeled vehicles can be stuck in difficult terrain, but that is also happening to tracked vehicles (you can even find videos of tracked vehicle stucked into difficult ground, to be hauled with a wheeled farm tractor), and in the long way you will probably have less wheeled vehicles stuck into mud, than tracked vehicles stopped due to part breakage.
  3. And tracked vehicles are "orders of magnitude" noisier than wheeled vehicles, which is not really what you want for a scout.

1) Hence low loaders

2) percentage game really

3) rubber tracks, which AFAIK these days work for everything but MBTs

EmericD

From: EmericD

13-Feb

graylion said:

1) Hence low loaders

So, you expect your tracked scout vehicle to "scout" while loaded on a truck?

During the French intervention in Mali, it was not unusual for the VBCI to cover 500 km in 10-12 hours (convoy escort, patrols), I don't think that a tracked vehicle could do that on its own.

graylion said:

2) percentage game really

But still funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hheLODstezM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFLtv2exMbU

graylion said:

3) rubber tracks, which AFAIK these days work for everything but MBTs

The noise difference between rubber tracked vehicles and wheeled vehicles of the same weight class is still impressive, and you still hear a tracked vehicle several hundred of meters before a wheeled vehicle.

graylion

From: graylion

13-Feb

all good points. I am just trying to imagine a Jaguar scouting in UA in mud season

EmericD

From: EmericD

13-Feb

graylion said:

all good points. I am just trying to imagine a Jaguar scouting in UA in mud season

I really expect that we will never have a "real world" answer to this question.

graylion

From: graylion

13-Feb

EmericD said:

I really expect that we will never have a "real world" answer to this question.

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