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Rheinmetall Panther 2 KF51 Tank with 130mm   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 14-Jun by gatnerd; 5290 views.
graylion

From: graylion

15-Jun

I seriously doubt that Rheinmetall is using Browning M2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_RMG.50

stancrist

From: stancrist

15-Jun

Perhaps you're right.  I was going by this illustration at 7:05 in the video I linked.  The coax pictured looks very much like a Browning M2HB.

DavidPawley

From: DavidPawley

15-Jun

As discussed yesterday in the tracks vs wheels thread - the rheinmetall cutaway shows an M2, not RMG.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

15-Jun

gatnerd said:

More info on the KF51 and the related Procurement Politics as pertains to the MGCS:

You should take this "info" with more than just a grain of salt because there are several claims and statements that are compleltly wrong.

For starters the Leopard 2 A7V does not weight more than 70 t. Not even close. Its combat weight is 64 t. The weight of the Panther also isn't unknown. Its 59 t according to Rh. The Panther isn't a new MBT. Its an evolved Leopard 2. The turret is new. etc

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

15-Jun

stancrist said:

I was going by this illustration at 7:05 in the video I linked.

This video is also a highly questionable source.

stancrist said:

The coax pictured looks very much like a Browning M2HB.

I think you are all missing the important info here: OPTIONAL
Its all optional. The Panther is a technology demonstrator and not a specific design. They will fit whatever the customer wants. This is also why the hull is Leo2. The potential customers are all Leo2 users who can modernise their fleet by plucking a new turret and modifying the hull. Sure they would build new hulls if someone wants. Its all about what the customer actually wants and orders.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

15-Jun

gatnerd said:

In related news, another Magnum Tank concept was debuted, this with a 140mm cannon:

And here it is. A Leopad 2 hull with a modified Leclerc turrert. Again nothing really new.

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schnuersi

From: schnuersi

15-Jun

You are missing some of the really intresting stuff. Like the Boxer tracked. A tracked drive module that can use the same mission modules as the wheeled Boxer. They also presented a gun armed mission module. So the question if a gun armed Boxer is possible is officially answered: yes and there allready is one.
It does carry a 120 mm gun in an unmanned turret and can also carry six dismounts in additon to the crew of three.



AND they now do slave the RWS into the ADS system to use the sensor suite to detect and engage drones as well.

There is also this:

Since its a Boxer mission module it also can be plucked on the tracked Boxer.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

15-Jun

Those are both really cool. 

stancrist

From: stancrist

15-Jun

schnuersi said:

       stancrist said: I was going by this illustration at 7:05 in the video I linked.

This video is also a highly questionable source.

Rheinmetall is the source of the illustration.  Rheinmetall – Panther KF51 main battle tank (rheinmetall-defence.com)

schnuersi said:

       stancrist said: The coax pictured looks very much like a Browning M2HB.

I think you are all missing the important info here: OPTIONAL

Its all optional. The Panther is a technology demonstrator and not a specific design.

What is your source for that assertion?  Rheinmetall makes it sound like the .50 BMG is standard armament for Panther coax, and is a specific design.

"A 12.7mm co-axial machine gun complements the main gun."  Rheinmetall – Panther KF51 main battle tank (rheinmetall-defence.com)

"...every conventional tank has typically a [7.62mm] co-axial machine gun, but here we have a .50 machine gun..."  https://youtu.be/jGaaZIrTmY8?t=60

Is there any info from Rheinmetall which says that other weapons like 20-30mm autocannons can be used as co-axial gun in the Panther?

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

15-Jun

stancrist said:

What is your source for that assertion? Rheinmetall makes it sound like the .50 BMG is standard armament for Panther coax, and is a specific design.

Rh is the source. In the press release, on their homepage and even in their video they allways say option and optional.
Besides its exactly what they have done befor recently with the Lynx, the Lynx 120 and earlier with the Leopard 2 Revolution. They present options to the customer. Which makes sense since its an industry project not developed to meet any specific demand or fit any specific program. Its a modular system. Just like when you order a car.

stancrist said:

Is there any info from Rheinmetall which says that other weapons like 20-30mm autocannons can be used as co-axial gun in the Panther?

Who claimed that?
Its just about if the COAX is a .50 and if yes which type. If the customer wants a .30 cal they will fit this and if they want a .50 of whatever type they will fit this. It doesn't have to be a M2.
Same with the RWS. They currently fitted the brand new Natter to present it but they stated that they can fit whatever the customer wants. Of the size the customer wishes. Even autocannons.

stancrist said:

Rheinmetall is the source of the illustration.

Yes and it shows ONE POSSIBLE configuation. Its not the only one. They even say in the video and in their press release "unmanned turret options are available". This is also not shown on the illustration.

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