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Rheinmetall Panther 2 KF51 Tank with 130mm   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 14/6/22 by gatnerd; 46653 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

7/7/22

IF Elbit Light tank offering is any orientation, as it built on same platform just with 105 cannon instead of 120mm, this thing is armored to level 4 so 14.5mm HMG everything else will be up armoring packages

If anyone is interested in scans of the old Leopard 3 proposal.  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DNrjyzgh40GOQvp-1ZiT2tFqhz-4wLpa/view

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

9/10/22

Tank season continues, now with modernized Abrams concept:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/abramsx-next-generation-main-battle-tank-breaks-cover

-120mm cannon + 30x113mm cannon 

-Autoloader unmanned turret, 3 man crew

-50% reduction in fuel consumption due to new powertrain 

stancrist

From: stancrist

9/10/22

Looks very sci-fi.  And very cool.  But, I sure hope it gives good crew survivability, because it looks like no one is going to get out of those hatches very fast, with the turret so close overhead.

And three men sitting side-by-side in a hull that measures less than 84 inches internal width seems like cramped crew space, considering human dimensions and all the equipment needed.

Driver's position

Gunner's position

Commander's position

  • Edited 09 October 2022 23:09  by  stancrist
stancrist

From: stancrist

9/10/22

P.S.  I see the driver's position is on the left side in the AbramsX, with the TC on the right side and the gunner in the middle?

  • Edited 09 October 2022 21:31  by  stancrist
taschoene

From: taschoene

10/10/22

My hunch would be that the TC is in the middle, where he can look over the shoulder of both the gunner and driver.  Also, his seat might be a little behind the other two, with his head under the turret ring, since there should be no basket to interfere.  That could help with the width issues.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

10/10/22

taschoene said:

My hunch would be that the TC is in the middle, where he can look over the shoulder of both the gunner and driver.

Can make sense. Allthough if all crew stations are more or less identical I don't think it is really necessary to be able to physically look over the shoulders of the other crewmembers,

taschoene said:

Also, his seat might be a little behind the other two, with his head under the turret ring, since there should be no basket to interfere. That could help with the width issues.

This also is very likely. The hatches don't seem arraged in one straight line.
If the crew station in the middle is moved forward or back, just a bit, so the shoulders of the crewmembers are not in one line and potential touching the others, it is possible to pack them more dense.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

10/10/22

stancrist said:

But, I sure hope it gives good crew survivability, because it looks like no one is going to get out of those hatches very fast, with the turret so close overhead.

Keep in mind its just a industry project and technology demonstrator at this point.
Its basically exactly the same as the KF51 Panther and the Ascalon. A modified existing hull with a new turret. Should development progress it is very likely that a new hull will be desigend as well. Which will adress issues like hatch placement and other optimisations.

stancrist

From: stancrist

10/10/22

taschoene said:

My hunch would be that the TC is in the middle, where he can look over the shoulder of both the gunner and driver. 

Having the TC in the middle seat was my initial thinking, too.  If only intuitively, it seems like a more logical position for the TC.

However, it is not actually necessary for the TC be able to look over their shoulders, as shown by M1A2 TC/driver positioning.

The reason I think the TC may be on the right is due to that hatch having three periscopes, whereas the middle has only one.

That is similar to currently; the TC has multiple viewing ports (for situational awareness), while the gunner has only his sights.

taschoene said:

Also, his seat might be a little behind the other two, with his head under the turret ring, since there should be no basket to interfere.

a.  The turret may or may not have a basket.   At 0:28 in the video, there appears to be a basket.  https://youtu.be/TcfuyyxFtgQ?t=28

b.  Actually, the middle hatch is a little ahead of the other two, similar to the drawing below.  It can be seen in the video and photos.

  • Edited 10 October 2022 16:50  by  stancrist
stancrist

From: stancrist

10/10/22

schnuersi said:

Keep in mind its just a industry project and technology demonstrator at this point. A modified existing hull with a new turret. Should development progress it is very likely that a new hull will be desigend as well.

That is certainly possible, but to say it is "very likely" is questionable.  It seems to me at least as likely that the existing hull would be used.

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Jeff (Jefffar)

From: Jeff (Jefffar)

10/10/22

May be possible, with modern computerized systems, that each seat has access to the complete control of the tank, menaing it ultimately doesn't matter who sits where...

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