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Recent level 2 training pics   Behavior and Training

Started 11/16/22 by ChipBlasiole; 8999 views.
ChipBlasiole

From: ChipBlasiole

1/23/23

I am in Virginia.  I imported my dog from Canada at 16 weeks of age. Certain countries have registered and unregistered lines of breeds, Mals in particular, such as Belgium and the Netherlands.  They don't want to be beholding to the FCI because of the power they yield and because they believe a registered pedigree overseen by a body by the FCI does not improve the quality of dogs, and actually leads to a decline in breeds.  AKC is a perfect example.  You can breed a totally crap, pet dog with HD, but as long as the dog has AKC "papers" the pups will have papers and BYB will breed to make a little profit at the expense of the breed.  As I have said with the Dutch KNPV Mal X's, in the past, they have outcrossed to other breeds to bring in desirable traits and sometimes the unregistered pedigrees are not factual, but the breeders know their lines and what they produce and they want to produce the best working dogs and don't need an official registry to hold their hand or yield a stick over them.  I would argue the SV is almost as bad as the AKC.  They put on this facade of keeping very high standards in order to breed, but the German/European GSD show lines are an embarrassment, but are the large majority of the GSDs and they bring in a lot of money for essentially a fake working dog with unnatural conformation.  My bias is that Schutzhund/IGP in modern times has harmed the breed resulting in it becoming a bastardized version of its original intent and becoming a sport dog. The dogs are unbalanced in prey and aggression. The true herding lines have been lost due to the influence of the SV.  Now no stick hits, no prong collars or e-collars.  People can abuse dogs in many ways, not just with e-collars or prong collars.  Plus, how will they police it?  People will train in indoor facilities or private property with restricted access and monitor for surveillance. PSA should not be affected but these restrictions due to not being sanctioned by the FCI, but there are people in the sport being proactive trying to educate legislators and others about how these tools and tests of a dog's temperament are not cruel.  There are way more cruel pet owners who do so out of malice and stupidity, who never train their dogs or vet them, and just tie them out and have no relationship with their dogs.

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker)

1/24/23

That’s a helpful summary of the mess they have made of breeding sport and working shepherds and Mals. Getting away from pedigrees may save Mals and Dutchies.  We are on the fence about our next dog. No one in my family or extended family thinks we need another high drive German Shepherd.  It’s upsetting that breeding has moved so far away from standards.  

ChipBlasiole

From: ChipBlasiole

1/25/23

It has been a long time since schutzhund was a breed suitability test.  Once it and now IGP became a competition sport and points were the goal, selection for breeding shifted to select for traits that would allow dogs to excel in sports.  Same for all other protection sports with KNPV being different, with most trainers just looking to get the entry level PH1 and selling the dog as a police dog prospect and getting another dog to train.  There are some in KNPV who strive to strain to the higher levels and the podium, and ironically, those dogs typically are less likely to be more suited for police work.  There are still some balanced GSDs, but most are more sporty.  But most people who compete just want a dog they can compete with.  I prefer a dog with enough aggression that it doesn’t impede success in competition, yet a dog that will likely protect.  As to how much pressure a dog that will protect can handle is another matter.  Police, military, special operations dogs need to be tested at levels that sport never approach.  Plus, those dogs needs to be in the hands of highly skilled handlers.  I consider my dog to have high drive, but that is a relative term, and he certainly is not extreme in drive and does very well as a house dog.

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker)

1/26/23

Police can handle the occasional dog that will come up the leash on them.  It’s also harder to find dual duty dogs who can apprehend and protect and also search.  I’ve noticed police get the dogs they can purchase or get donated and then fit them to their needs.  Police dogs must handle pressure, but also they don’t need to out. The handler needs to be able to lift them off if they have to.  I’ve seen K9s at the vet. They knock them out even for a basic exam, shots and treatment, because the dogs can’t tolerate vet handling.  That works for police dogs but not for pet sport dogs. They need to be able to perform in the field but also do every day tasks and vet care.

I am amused by sport people who act as if their dogs are the toughest dogs out there. It doesn’t happen here anymore but a very nice woman who used to be a member of both forums bought a “killer” dog from a breeder over there. Only the dog was pretty mild and eventually she stopped posting about their accomplishments.  The breeder saw her as an pet owner and sold her a lovely dog that wouldn’t put too many impediments in the way of her training. The dog was not fierce or anything else the owner claimed it was. I can tell by watching their videos if a dog is performing well at the level it needs to, or if it’s a pet dog just out there having fun and maybe being edged into a title.

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker)

2/23/23

That’s a great shot.

bearshandler

From: bearshandler

2/23/23

He’s looking good. Looks like he’s slimmed down.

ChipBlasiole

From: ChipBlasiole

2/24/23

Thanks.  He has lost 30#'s and weighs 100#'s.

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker)

2/25/23

He’s still a big guy.

bearshandler

From: bearshandler

2/25/23

That’s a pretty significant amount. How’s it affected his performance?

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