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Dlila's Homecoming!   Welcome and Administration

Started 10/18/19 by Solitaire13; 1037 views.
Solitaire13

From: Solitaire13

10/20/19

I agree and disagree. The traits you list as common for an ACD are absolutely traits that one should expect in a well bred GSD. 

I do agree that a GSD can be more versatile.  I recently spoke with someone that has titled multiple ACDs and GSDs in IPO. I asked their opinions on comparing the breeds. Oddly, they said that the GSD was easier to train and needed to have a job.

I do want to point out that it is common for a male GSD not to be able to be safely kept with a female or vice versa. Male on male aggression is fierce among GSDs and is NOT forgotten once they have begun to fight. The people that you see talking about male male aggression being nothing compared to female female aggression have not owned two males that fight, usually they haven't had two females either, and those people only parrot what they have heard. 

Attacking car tires is a function of prey drive as is herding. When dogs are not provided outlets for their drives, they will create their own. Dlila adores herding the bigger dogs when they get unruly. I hope to start her on treiball.

The main difference I am seeing is in the prey drive. Some of my dogs have strong prey drive,  not necessarily high prey drive. Dlila has strong prey drive. She definitely is an ankle biter and will nip at heads too if she must. FWIW,  GSDs grab necks, ribs and hind legs. IF properly bred, the GSD and the ACD should both lack the kill bite and both should possess a bite and release genetic grip. 

Manfred Heyne was well renowned in the GSD herding circle. He states that a GSD needs to have very high prey drive and that it should be triggered by sheep. I see a keen interest by Dlila in animals in general but in the most curious and affectionate manner. She "turns on" with big and unruly. I can't really say the same about GSDs and Manfred states that today's high prey drive is not wired right and ill focused. I agree. I see GSDs as being highly intuitively unfocused resulting in hectic drive that must be channeled.  That might be good for sport or work venue but it is a drain on good herding and does not qualify as good pet material.  

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker)

10/20/19

I have only met a few here and they were challenging for their owners,  but those owners only had experience with softer dogs.

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker)

10/20/19

Isn’t some of that high, frantic drive bred into them for LE?

Solitaire13

From: Solitaire13

10/20/19

Only 5 -10% of GSDs qualify for LE. The rest should be lower drive and better balanced BUT it is the sport breeding that has brought on these changes. 

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker)

10/20/19

Those numbers are probably for apprehension or dual purpose dogs.  Scent only dogs may have a lower threshold for acceptance and maybe more qualify.  

Solitaire13

From: Solitaire13

10/21/19

Most German Shepherds aren't bred for LE.

Solitaire13

From: Solitaire13

10/22/19

So I stopped at a local garage today. A man fell in love with Dlila. Turns out he doesn't live so far away and has a 10 month old male. I asked about temperament and he said that him and his wife totally adore him but he tends to be territorial. 

I ran into a friend on a trail today. This was her first time meeting Dlila and Gnash. She fell head over heels for Dlila. My friend goes to some city dog parks that I have never been to. She says that you can't go to those parks without meeting at least one ACD. She said they are very popular in the city.

DW (GSDogwalker)

From: DW (GSDogwalker)

10/22/19

Oh cool!  You don’t mind territorial.

Solitaire13

From: Solitaire13

10/22/19

Territorial is protective of the home and car, a dying trait in modern GSDs. 

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