David was considered a friend of God. Jesus told his disciples they were no longer servants, but his friends, if they did what he commanded. We are his friends, not because of us, but, because he first loved us
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When you grow up in church, you just automatically accept certain things, and move on. There's three people calling themselves God, but only one God. Ok, yeah. I can easily accept that as a child, but, I'm an adult now, and well, as one lady said, "I can't accept God as a three headed monster".
So, how on earth did we get from "I alone am God, beside me there is no other" to three headed monster God?
Sadly, inability to understand and question what and who God is. Here's something even more sad. It's so much easier to comprehend than we have made it out to be.
Let's understand who God is. God is known to us in the form of three persons. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.
Now let me confuse you. The Father is not The Son, nor The Holy Spirit. The Son is neither Father nor Holy Spirit, and The Holy Spirit is neither Father nor Son.
Yet you say there is only one God?
Technically, God says it, and as a result, so do I. But, yes, there is only one God.
Here are what I call bad examples and illustrations of who God is, and how to grasp this thing we call "trinity".
Egg. A shell, white and yolk.
3 leaf clover: three leaves one plant.
Water: liquid, steam and ice.
Person: a man can be a grandfather, a father and a son at the same time.
The problem I have with these examples is, they just aren't correct. If we define the trinity as "three distinct and separate, yet equal persons, but one Godhead", then each of the above is problematic. Yes the egg has three parts, but, they are not equal parts. This pretty much runs through just about every example we come up with (the "person" example, being one that is unique to that issue).
The other issue is these examples cannot be distinguished separately. Even the "person" example is sewn together as being one person. Three roles, but one person. Whereas we should understand The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not "physically" connected as being one person.
BUT, there are two examples I have that hopefully will be one of those "Ah-ha" moments.
We have three separate, supposedly equal branches of government. In plain language, the judges, the congress, and the president. Judicial, Executive and Legislative branches, but, we have only one government.
The problem here, is, they are not always equal, and rarely if ever, in agreement, as is God.
I like the following example better:
For this illustration, look at a three person family:
Father, Mother, Child.
All three are separate persons, all three make up one family. All three are equally people.
Have you ever noticed the terms describing God, in the Bible? Father and Son are two of the three words used. This seems to be a natural description God gave us, to let us better understand who he is, and how it works.
Watch it this way:
So in reality, it is not some "mystery" we cannot comprehend", but rather, a simple but over thought doctrine.
Of course, this is a human example, and as such, is not a "perfect" example, but, should be a clear, concise and comprehendible example.
What do you have to say?
Research "apophatic theology."
I prefer to call it educational. I think it's good when people can discuss what they believe in a rational and respectful manner. And, perhaps learn why others believe as they do. So much better than people slamming doors in people's faces, I think.
I have to admit, initially I missed your actual post
Interesting path you took, apophatic theology.
I will agree we can never truly comprehend everything regarding God, because we are finite and God is infinite, this should never keep us from knowing God. This side of eternity. Otherwise, why even bother trying?
Would you mind expounding further with your thoughts?
God, in His essence, is unknowable. Yet He reveals Himself by His energies. Fof example, you can't see the air, but you can see it move the leaves of a tree.
Most heresies are attempts to over explain God. Apophatic theology reveals God by eliminating what He is not. God is immortal, infinite, unknowable, ineffable. Strip away the error and what remains is the Mystery of the Divine.