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From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/3/02 6:03 PM 
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 744.1 
Back to the analysis of the Pentagon crash.
We know, that almost no Defense Officials died, but air force and navy employees. (Complete list was released at GZ)
The author of the following site (in french!) wonders :
http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/actu/conflit3.htm

(web translator)

"..Given the size of the plane and its minimal speed of flight(theft), one understands badly how he can have provoked so few damages. The building(ship) not being damaged in depth, it seems that only the nose of the device fits there.

How come while the wreck of the Boeing appears on no photography? Did the military authority try to hide not told supplementary events, did it falsify the facts?

The plane glanced through the highway before crashing near the heliport of the Pentagon

The device would have landed on the heliport of the Pentagon and would have continued its journey(running) to fit in the facade of the building(ship). Having glanced through lampposts, the device arranged only 125 m to make the manœuvre.

http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/actu/images-pentagone/apres1.jpg
http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/actu/images-pentagone/avant1.jpg
http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/actu/images-pentagone/autoroute.jpg

Only the first ring of the building(ship) was got(touched)





Edited 3/10/2002 3:55:54 AM ET by EWING2001
 
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From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/11/02 12:47 PM 
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Strange eye-witness reports about a second plane at the Pentagon

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'HORRIFIC' IMAGE STILL HAUNTS SURRY WOMAN DISASTER VIEWED FROM ARLINGTON
Daily Press; Newport News; Sep 14, 2001; TERRY SCANLON Daily Press;

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Kelly Knowles, a First Colonial High School alumnus who now lives in an apartment a few miles from the Pentagon, said some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion.

At the same time, [Keith Wheelhouse] and his sister, Pam Young, who lives in Surry, were preparing to leave a funeral at ...

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Her brother, [Keith Wheelhouse], of Virginia Beach, spotted the planes first. The second plane looked similar to a C- 130 transport plane, he said. He believes it flew directly above the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon.

Wheelhouse's account of a second plane is ...


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From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/11/02 12:54 PM 
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The attack on the Pentagon was obviously filmed, but the video was classified

http://www.gertzfile.com/ring092101.html
(Inside the Ring- Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough)

"..A security camera atop a hotel close to the Pentagon may have captured dramatic footage of the hijacked Boeing 757 airliner as it slammed into the western wall of the Pentagon. Hotel employees sat watching the film in shock and horror several times before the FBI confiscated the video as part of its investigation.

It may be the only available video of the attack. The Pentagon has told broadcast news reporters that its security cameras did not capture the crash.

The attack occurred close to the Pentagon's heliport, an area that normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring..."

 

 
From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/19/02 4:08 PM 
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With new eye witnesses about a second plane at the Pentagon and detailed photos about a precise crash also another question came up:

Was Hani Hanjour really the pilot of the Pentagon plane?
Who was his flying teacher?

In September 2001, Lotfi Raissi, was arrested as his flying teacher.
But he was now plead unguilty. It looks very obvious, that Raissi had nothing to do with it. He also started to think about sueing the United States about false accusements.

"I am not a terrorist. I abhor terrorism, and my family in Algeria has fought terrorism and been the victims of it for a decade," he said.

 

 
From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/20/02 6:34 PM 
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Complete stories of the two Pentagon Crash Eye Witnesses

'HORRIFIC' IMAGE STILL HAUNTS SURRY WOMAN DISASTER VIEWED FROM ARLINGTON
Daily Press; Newport News; Sep 14, 2001; TERRY SCANLON Daily Press;

Abstract:
Her brother, [Keith Wheelhouse], of Virginia Beach, spotted the planes first. The second plane looked similar to a C- 130 transport plane, he said. He believes it flew directly above the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon.

Wheelhouse's account of a second plane is unlike everything else that has been reported about the attack. Some initial reports on television said a second airliner might be headed for the Pentagon, but authorities later dismissed that. A Norfolk-based FBI agent interviewed Wheelhouse Wednesday evening.

A possible explanation for the second plane could be a plane landing at nearby Ronald Reagan National Airport. The Pentagon is between the cemetery and the airport. But Wheelhouse insists he was not confused by other air traffic.

HAMPTON ROADS WOMAN SAYS SHE, TOO, SAW PLANE FOLLOWING JET THAT HIT PENTAGON
Daily Press; Newport News; Sep 15, 2001; TERRY SCANLON Daily Press;

Abstract:
Kelly Knowles, a First Colonial High School alumnus who now lives in an apartment a few miles from the Pentagon, said some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion.

At the same time, [Keith Wheelhouse] and his sister, Pam Young, who lives in Surry, were preparing to leave a funeral at Arlington National Cemetery, which is less than a mile from the Pentagon, when they watched the jet approach and slam into the Pentagon. Both of them, as well as at least one other person at the funeral, insist that there was another plane flying near the hijacked jet.

 

 
From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/22/02 6:03 PM 
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http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs.htm

Website claims, No Aircraft Crashed into Pentagon on 9/11

This is an interesting new analysis by another French website, which uses photos and simple logic to show that it's impossible that a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon.

The first reports from about the attack on the Pentagon came from the Associated Press who reported that a truck had exploded in front of the Pentagon. This was later replaced by the "official" version that a 757 had , in fact, hit the Pentagon.

However, just by looking at the photos of the Pentagon after the incident, it's easy to see that it's impossible that a 757 had crashed there..."

NOTE:
GZ released a link from another french site, which was able to release pictures, which shows that the crash was very precise.
Together with two eye-witnesses, who heard or saw a second plane and a classified security camera movie by a gas station it seems now that the whole crash includes many more oddities than we ever thought.

It's also still odd, that the plane didn't hit the white house, which was technically much more easier to hit.

It also came out, that Dick Cheney and George Bush Sr. had been both at the time at the White House, a detail, which wasn't well known.

Officially Hani Hanjour (who didn't appear on the passenger list)was the pilot of that plane. It is not known, who teached him to fly.
Lotfi Raissi, who was first suspected to teach him, was set free again a few weeks ago.

The Plane crashed into a renovated part of the Pentagon.
It killed 95% members of the army or navy and 6-8 defense agency employees.

Both Pentagon and FBI didn't release much photos of the crash.
Officially also the black box had never been found.

 

 
From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/28/02 5:12 PM 
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Ok, we just started to speculate at the chat about the latest Pentagon Infos and here are my current conclusion:

1) The Passenger list wasn't made up.
I have this list since September 12th and compared it with the FAA protocol and company websites ,who talked about who they lost.

2) If we all agree, that Global Hawk (unmanned remote controlled) Technology was involved, it doesn't matter ,where they pulverised the passengers.

We started to analyse all locations around the Pentagon.
The original plane could have crashed into the mountains or an ocean.

Don't forget that 64 passengers only had been on board, 56 names on list (8 missing) (64 also counted by FAA)

Among the VIPs:

Barbara Olsen, CNN
Charles Falkenberg, Ecologic Corp

(GZ found already in October 2001 out, that his company sell grid databases which are a must for global hawk GPS technology. Falkenberg also worked for the NASA)

Paul Ambrose (US Dep of health and human services)
Robert Penniger (BAE Systems)

and a lot more..

Full list ..well i guess you have a link...

On the other 3 planes we find 4 other Raytheon executives, which company developed Global Hawk together with Northrop Grunmen (who just got a new Budget by the Pentagon for their Global Hawk drones)

3) The precised crash could indeed have been forced by a truck filled with C4 or it was a short missile fired by this "second plane" (eyewitnesses).

4) It would be interesting to see the security cam video by the Gas station nearby the Pentagon, but it was classified by the Pentagon/CIA

5) It would be helpful to relocate old reports from sep11th.
some mentioned an early explosion outside or a car bomb.
Anything like that would help

6) Interesting Twist.
Hani Hanjours flying lesson teacher Lotfi Raissi was released free again in the UK. No evidence for a terrorist plot.
For me that means that Raissi is indeed innocent and noone knows who Hanjour teacher was.

(we only know 2 names of flying schools of Hanjour, but instead to Atta there is NO official teacher anymore!!)

BTW: Attas flight school was now also linked to the CIA.

 

 
From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/28/02 5:16 PM 
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I found also some other interesting highlights of an analysis about the Pentagon Case at Guerrillanews:

(Thx to Vihad)

"..Look at the photo with the fire trucks that just arrived on the scene.

If it WAS a jumbo jet that crashed into the Pentagon, it slammed into the ground floor of the building. The grassy area near the impact was virtually untouched and not even the street lamps were knocked over. Yeah, it was some fancy flying by someone who'd never flown a jumbo jet before.

But hey! Now they're saying that the second jumbo jet that hit the WTC was going so fast they're suprised that the jet didn't fall apart. Those same never-flown-a-commerical-airliner-in-my-life pilots were able to bullseye two virtual needles in the air while careening along at ridiculously fast speeds. The Force was surely with them.

Only the outer layer of the Pentagon was damaged by penetration of the giant 757's impact and it's wings caused no damage whatsoever to the outside of the Pentagon.

Speaking of the wings, since there is no sign that they even impacted the Pentagon, what happened to them? Remember with the WTC how the wings sliced into the buildings? In the Pentagon, there's just a smoking hole. In the Pentagon, since the wings were not left outside of the building, the only thing that could have happened is that the were folded back and sucked into the Pentagon during the crash.

However, since we can see that the Pentagon only experienced damage to its facade, that theory is a little shaky.."

Pringles:
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"It cant be a truck, there would be wreck on the grass in front of the hole."

 

 
From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/28/02 5:23 PM 
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Asile the 2nd french site who brought a fantastic analysis about the Pentagon crash brought now an english version of their site at

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

The highlights:

IMAGE 1, 2)
"..The first satellite image shows the section of the building that was hit by the Boeing. In the image below, the second ring of the building is also visible. It is clear that the aircraft only hit the first ring. The four interior rings remain intact. They were only fire-damaged after the initial explosion.

Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200, weighing nearly 100 tons and travelling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour* only damaged the outside of the Pentagon?

*250 mph when landing, 600 mph in flight

IMAGE 3, 4)
The two photographs in question 2 show the building just after the attack. We may observe that the aircraft only hit the ground floor. The four upper floors collapsed towards 10.10 am. The building is 26 yards high.

Can you explain how a Boeing 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long, with a wingspan of 41.6 yards and a cockpit 3.8 yards high, could crash into just the ground floor of this building?

IMAGE 5)
The photograph above shows the lawn in front of the damaged building.

You'll remember that the aircraft only hit the ground floor of the Pentagon's first ring. Can you find debris of a Boeing 757-200 in this photograph?

IMAGE 6)
The photograph in question 4 shows a truck pouring sand over the lawn of the Pentagon. Behind it a bulldozer is seen spreading gravel over the turf.

Can you explain why the Defence Secretary deemed it necessary to sand over the lawn, which was otherwise undamaged after the attack?

IMAGE 7)
The photographs in Question 5 show representations of a Boeing 757-200 superimposed on the section of the building that was hit.

Can you explain what happened to the wings of the aircraft and why they caused no damage?

ARTICLE QUOTE)

The quotations in Question 6 correspond to statements made by Arlington County Fire Chief, Ed Plaugher, at a press conference held by Assistant Defence Secretary, Victoria Clarke, on 12 September 2001, at the Pentagon.

Can you explain why the County Fire Chief could not tell reporters where the aircraft was?

IMAGE 8/9 )

The two photographs in question 7 were taken just after the attack. They show the precise spot on the outer ring where the Boeing struck.

Can you find the aircraft's point of impact?

 

 
From: Ewing2001 Posted by host2/28/02 6:11 PM 
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Maybe helpful, another Map of Washington Area.
http://media.maps.com/images/promo/uWa_dcMG.gif
 

 
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