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Does it feel like a Triple Crown?   Triple Crown

Started 6/10/18 by Oldbettowin; 6681 views.

From: Oldbettowin


Thanks for the article Winter, that was awesome.  That man needs to write a book.


From: smartyslew


part of it for Baffert is being a savvy businessman,he trys to keep all of that good

team of his out of the spotlight and pay them enough to keep them happy and stay

with him.

jimmy barnes and his wife Dana have had offers to work for others

and BB pays them enough to keep them from going out on their own.

you don't hear much about new trainers learning there trade from Baffert

like you do learning with Lucas.

Baffert is very good at the sales and has a good eye for potential talent.

you don't hear to much about the jealousy from florida and kentucky

like 10 years ago when he buys horses out from under them at their sales.

most on here know his known negatives and his experiments with drugs and feed

with all of those positives i wonder why he has the needs to be a head of the known

level playing field. must be greed


From: smartyslew


i read your article after my last post.

thank you it was well written.

it would be nice if Baffert would take him to a big race like Lucas did with Winning colors.


From: DogsUp


Bob Baffert going on the way to winners circle said paraphrased: Great to be an American, got help from Upstairs, and a mention of parents. At trophy presentation acknowledged team. Way after everybody left the TV screen.

At trophy presentation mentioned staff and crew. In DR F article pre-Bel Stks the exercise rider could speak to the press and be quoted. Back @ Am Pharoah owner and trainer made generous donation of win $ in 6 figures.


  • Edited June 10, 2018 2:40 pm  by  DogsUp
SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G


On the topic of how long has the sport been rigged?  If you have the occasion to find it, the legendary horse bettor, Pittsburgh Phil (aka George E. Smith) wrote a book that was published right after his death in 1908.  Fascinating because it shows the level of shenanigans (including doped up & hopped up horses) that went into scoring at the bet level.

From that point, and probably before, there began the rise of organized crime getting into the game & bending results however they could into their favor financially.  There is stuff out there to read if you want to.

Since the 1970s it's morphed into a chemical war.  This part most are familiar with.

There have always been cheaters in horse racing.  The small scale operations to the big operations.  

The rise of conglomerates is the new age of bending the sport to one's considerable will & financial clout to do so.  O'Brien may be different from Baffert but Coolmore & Winstar have much in common. I mention that only because O'B & BB came up in discussion.  Look at any major operation & follow the money back to its various sources & it's no different to the bettor than when organized crime had the game by the throat.

I'm not saying a fix is always on or that it even always works for the manipulators.  Keep in mind, they are the biggest bettors of all so they can lose as long as they win (somebody was tossing around the number 60 million already in the bank for Winstar before the Belmont was even in the books) BIG regularly, what do they care?  It's "legal".

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G


smartyslew said:

part of that will be who to leave out of a race that can comprimise for the biggest return on their money invested. all legal and randomly done before and more often part of a cappers nightmare to go with the special feed.

Exactly correct!!!


From: Gerh


I am kind of torn on this.I wanted Mike Smith to get the triple crown but I liked Seattle Slew being the only undefeated tc winner.My only gripe about Restoring Hope is that I thought he had an outside chance to hit the board if allowed to run his race.At least it wasn’t as blatant when Winstar won with Creator(using Gettysburg)


From: smartyslew


thanks, i watched that




I don't have any issue with the races or the conditions of them.  That is out of everyone's control ( I think ).    his Belmont was what 2:28?  That is respectable. He did get away with some soft early fractions.   I did not like the tactics with RH, they did not need to do that.  I view that different than running a rabbit.  Rabbits do not directly interfere with paths or alter them, just add some pressure.  I had mentioned when it was announced he was entering RH about him interfering with Shared Belief, not once but in two races.  I think that is classless.  I think Vino was the only one who was able to give him a little bit of a challenge.  I have to watch replay again, I have read some things that they may have cut off Tenfold and let Gronk skip through a hole because of it.

My biggest issue, I am not sure what others here think, but I have often mentioned how he gets horses to run farther than their pedigree suggest to me.  None of his recent ones looked like standouts from a traditional pedigree standpoint that I have seen in the past.  Since 2105, he has had three once in a lifetime horses.  AP did not wow you looking at him, but watching him run in person did to me.  Did not see Arrogate in person.  I've never seen a horse in person with the muscles Justified has.  

In reply toRe: msg 23

From: GamblingMel


I couldn't be happier for Mike Smith; to me that's what makes this TC special.   American Pharoah's TC was so much more emotional because he was the first in such a long time.   It's natural not to feel the same level of excitement and awe over something which just happened - at least it feels that way to me.   Would I have been crushed if Justify lost and my potentially "huge" super paid off?  Nope, not at all.   Whereas with Pharoah, I would have been crushed.   I would hate for the TC to become commonplace because of one trainer's superiority and Baffert is, by all accounts, superior.   So the best horses will naturally come to him.