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Well there is no one updating dosage right now. He might have the same dosage index if someone were; maybe not.
Steve Miller for around 20 years has been doing the European Dosage
and his formula uses the model of different generations of dosage and he has the
technology to adjust his formulas to a site in North American used for our cappin.
Code of honor's Dosage is updated for N. America, Galileo is adjusted for us.
He is the guy every year on Steve Romans site would do the Epsom derby, arc, etc.
No body is doing North America that I know of.
BTW Code Of Honors Sire Noble Mission is a full brother to Frankel. For those that don't know.
Ticketman said...39 years is a small sample size ...ok ... Have a good day
I said sample size.
How many horses have run in the derby in 39 years in your example with a dosage of under 1.00
Or are you not going to give any consideration to that? LOL Sample size has to be computed with more than years.
Also looking at dosage w/out going thru at least nearest 5 generations of horses pedigree doesn't tell ya much.
Compare to Carry Back if you just wanna look at "dosage numbers" (he won, by the way)
I gotta laugh at some posts I've seen around the internet --- that CoH is a one turn horse, stuff like that.
Sire is Danehill who sired Dylan Thomas . Farish homebred, beautiful pedigree all around. They see him running at Gulfsteam (not right track for him) and at shorter distances (not right distance for him) and toss. Sire's brother is undefeated top timeform horse in the world.
But hey, I LOVE their $$ in the pools. I especially like $$ in the pools from people who pick horses based on memes when the memes aren't even mathematically sound. Sarcasm emoticon
I guess they would have tossed Carry Back, too. Similar dosage etc.
WORST that could happen is that he does okay in one of the TC races and some U.S. breeders *wake up* and get some o' that nice Euro stamina into the breeding shed over here. It's been a big mistake on their part. Getting more sadlers wells, danehill, etc. into the breed would be okay by me---one of main reasons i like just SEEING this horse in a race.
IF KY derby continues in present pattern with the "undeated at 3" horses, who have to retire 1-2 races afterwards ,I don't hold out much hope for our breeding going forward.
I guess when nobody keeps buying that will wake breeders here up. That day is coming.....drug tainted horses who can't run to year 4 is not what the rest of the world wants.
Nope ...just looked at Top 4 spots , like I said ....I can care less how many horses have run under a dosage of 1.00 in the Derby ... You want to laugh about ...it's cool bud ...no hard feelings ... have a good day
you said "Sire is Danehill who sired Dylan Thomas"
If you are talking about COH pedigree his sire is Noble Mission and Danehill is his BMSire
As you know Noble Mission is a full brother to Frankel.
You should care.....the point being made to you is quite simple. For example, if NO horses with dosage under 1 entered the Derby, of course none would have hit the board.
Another way of looking at it, is: How many horses with that dosage did NOT hit the board? That will help us with the relevancy....
smartyslew said...Danehill is his BMSire
Yes, that was a "whole sentence typo" on my part. :) I meant BMS
Since he's been in my top 3 favs all season, I have his pedigree chart hanging on the wall in front of my desk. ;)
Most people have him running 11th or so.
Which is very possible. That doesn't mean I don't like him a whole lot, just as a horse.
you guys know I like McGaughey, heck he was amazing with Personal Ensign, Easy Goer, etc. Would just love to see him run big here, he's very good with distance horses. Remember back in 2010 I think we may have still been having contests then, not sure, but I was picking Persistently for the Personal Ensign stakes, I kept saying "heck the trainer trained the darn horse the race was named after!" anyway, Persistently was over 20-1 odds at the time, and she did win.
I don't think CoH would have it easy in the derby, he has quite a lot of knocks and everything would really have to go his way......
Ticketman said...I can care less how many horses have run under a dosage of 1.00 in the Derby
TM, you're the one who Brought it up! I wouldn't even be part of the conversation had you not posted that meme.
And yes, no hard feelings.....we are all friendly here, I was just pointing out the error in the way you computed that.....I thought I was doing you a favor, pointing out that years, w/out giving the actual number of horses who made the Derby gate with a dosage of less than 1.00, is just useless. The other part about finding stuff humorous had nothing to do with you, since I even said I was referring to other places/forums/stuff I read. I was not laughing at you. But I WAS arguing with you, for sure. Not the heated kind though.