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Are 20 too many?   Triple Crown

Started May-5 by GoForGin; 2752 views.
GoForGin

From: GoForGin

May-13

The 1994 Derby (won by GoForGin) had 14 runners 

GoForGin

From: GoForGin

May-13

I found this link. I am mistaken - I thought the Derby had a smaller field not too long ago. I guess I was thinking about betting interests. It used to be that horses owned by the same barn would go as an entry, and there was always a “field” entry consisting of several horses...

https://www.kentuckyderby.com/uploads/wysiwyg/assets/uploads/Field_Size__2017_.pdf

twoshots

From: twoshots

May-13

It's been a high number of entrants ever since 1980. In the 21st century, 19.05 average. 1981-1999, 17.37 average. 1970-80, 14.73. 1950-69, 13.55.

Here are the tabulations I made:

2019-2000: no years under 16 entries

1999-1990: 19,15,13,19,19,19,19,18,16,15

1989-1980: 15,17,17,16,13,20,20,19,21,13

1979-1970: 10,11,15,9,15,23,13,16,20,17

1969-1960: 8,14,14,15,11,12,9,15,15,13

1959-1950: 17,14,9,17,10,17,11,16,20,14

Gerh

From: Gerh

May-13

Dubai and Japan Horses are here to stay.CDI wants the revenue generated by the Japanese pools.

In reply toRe: msg 42
GoForGin

From: GoForGin

May-13

Sadly that’s true. 

twoshots

From: twoshots

May-14

GoForGin said:

I found this link. I am mistaken - I thought the Derby had a smaller field not too long ago. I guess I was thinking about betting interests. It used to be that horses owned by the same barn would go as an entry, and there was always a “field” entry consisting of several horses... https://www.kentuckyderby.com/uploads/wysiwyg/assets/uploads/Field_Size__2017_.pdf

Nice find, Gin!

Plus2lbs

From: Plus2lbs

May-14

Sorry to fill you in...it's a GAMBLING event..bigger pools the better..no?

So what if the last two American horses don't get in because of the points system..run better and qualify.

I'll take my lumps either way..

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

May-15

RAESFAN said...

a lot of TC runners over the years, have not been the same afterwards. It is asking a lot of these horses, so they are "lucky" to some degree to get out unscathed.

4 horses that make up the KY Derby superfecta can't / aren't runnning in the Preakness.  

Let's not fool ourselves.   The KY Derby isn't just asking a lot of these horses, the lasix and everything else that comes before it compounds it.  The derby is only the culmination of ruining them. 

(Winx is standing in her barn, shaking her head).  Just racing doesn't ruin horses.  We need to get out of denial.  

 

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

May-15

twoshots said...

It's all a matter of degrees. Why risk running gimped up cheap claimers at lesser tracks?

No, it's not a "matter of degrees"........it's all a matter of how your conduct your racing programs.

Gimped up cheap claimers shouldn't be running at lesser tracks.  No gimped up horse should be made to run at all!   Ever been to the backside at those places, late at night... do you hear them pawing the ground, do you hear if they are in pain, etc.????  Do you think the poor barns have veterinary $$ to address all that?

They don't run gimped up horses in cheap claiming races in Hong Kong.  

When using the model of "matter of degrees" you have to evaluate the actual "degrees" that are being included within the scope of your model.  It's a matter of degrees is like saying at one end of the spectrum you have men who slap their wives open-handed, and compare it to men who hurl their wives against a wall 10' away.  *Matter of degrees* has never been an ethical model for me on which to base ANYTHING.  Because it usually includes some kind of wonky moral relativity (in which the viewer has the opportunity to justify stuff and to think stuff like "gosh, it could always be worse..."). 

RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

May-15

We make a federal case(literally) about drug use in other sports, but I guess they're just dumb animals(and ain't talking about the horses).

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