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Belmont Stakes   Triple Crown

Started 5/26/19 by Oldbettowin; 14353 views.
GamblingMel

From: GamblingMel

6/6/19

I really liked Everfast, a lot, but for some reason I thought Joel would ride him.  He rode him in the Preakness to 2nd.  Not sure why Saez is on him instead of Rosario.  Does anyone know why??  Of course, Rosario's on Sir Winston.  To me, what happened to Saez in the KD is a bad omen; despite this feeling, I'm letting go of Sir Winston (in favor of Intrepid Heart), and still playing Everfast.  

Gerh

From: Gerh

6/6/19

Rosario decided to ride Sir Winston,therefore opening up the mount on Everfast

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

6/6/19

Gerh said...

I prefer the other Pletcher but find it interesting that Johny V picked Intrepid Heart.

Johnny V. has ridden Intrepid Heart, the only jockey for Intrepid Heart, since his maiden race at Oaklawn in 2018.   

So not sure what you are saying, actually.   Are you sure he was actually given a choice?  Or did Pletcher just decide to ask him to keep on the horse because the horse has never been ridden by another jockey.

Knowing how agents/jockey/trainer arrangements work, unless we are privy to all that, this idea that jockey *pick* horses is not always accurate.

cubs.fan

From: cubs.fan

6/6/19

I would've bet him in the Derby as the Tapit in 4th, and I keyed him 2nd/3rd in the Preakness, but Bourbon War seems really up against it. Horses who skip the Derby and run poorly in the Preakness do not tend to reverse form in the Belmont.

Since the points system began, non-Derby runners have finished in the Belmont superfecta a total of five times (20.8% of the spots), but have comprised 37.3% of the entrants. IV of 0.55, a negative correlation.

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

6/6/19

cubs.fan said...

Horses who skip the Derby and run poorly in the Preakness do not tend to reverse form in the Belmont.

 

I don't disagree with your negative correlation remark based on statistics.   It's not always form.  Its that many horses spend a large % of their careers, here in the U.S.,  running at the WRONG distance.  Because we don't card enough long distance races.  Or, they don't like certain surfaces, tracks or the weather.  I look carefully at these things esp. when horses are doing "something new" which may benefit them......or not.  



 

Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

6/6/19

I’m taking a pass on four of them, some of which seem to be pretty well liked here:

Joevia—too slow for an E6 type.  He might be in front after a furlong but it won’t last fur long.

Everfast—returns to earth.

Master Fencer—too slow; possibly regresses.

Sir Winston—too slow for an E/P0.

That leaves me six, which I have ranked War of Will-Tacitus-Spinoff-Tax-Bourbon War-Intrepid Heart.  I wouldn’t bet it that way.  In fact I probably won’t bet it at all but if I do I’ll probably put Spinoff on top.  He looks to me like he’s going to be in front, not Joevia.

GamblingMel

From: GamblingMel

6/6/19

Perhaps I'll throw $20 on Spinoff to win.  It's been a weird year so if Spinoff wins, it would sort of make sense!

GamblingMel

From: GamblingMel

6/6/19

Why though?  Why would he dump Everfast?

GamblingMel

From: GamblingMel

6/6/19

Or it could be that Intrepid Heart is the preferred horse.  I believe that Pletcher gives Johnny V. first dibs on horses from his barn, irrespective of whether the jockey has a history with the horse.   

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

6/6/19

Apollo with 3 races and not much foundation, i agree with that part and a bad S/ BMS nick for the

Belmont, saying that i think he will be a good horse.

The reason I'm saying anything is if you watch the start of that race with that bad stumble

at the start, i think that had a lot to do with him  racing like a drunken sailor and  it made him look worse.

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