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Holy Bull   Triple Crown

Started Jan-27 by princeofdoc; 1778 views.

From: Plus2lbs


Move along....



From: DogsUp


Tiz the Law finished 6th in the BC Classic following my citing his 2nd place unusual footing shuffle trip in the Derby stretch.

And retired because he was not a runner.

Horses are put into their stall head first. Then turned around to face out. Don't back em in.

Starting gates solve this by loading rear.

 The Holy Bull favorite going face/front into gate saw the white protective mask and would not gate load bravely. 


From: Plus2lbs


Cancel bets....?

Or load up on your choice...

  • Edited February 4, 2021 7:29 pm  by  Plus2lbs

From: DogsUp


It's more about the next race After a noticeable incident. Trip view analysis.

 As when Tis the Law ran in the *September Derby was 2nd and displayed his awkward running finish "self induced." Had won the Travers and Belmont. 

So, then I commented on I saw Tis doing his shuffle in the stretch in Derby costing the win. Could have been organic/physical or mental. But he did it.

Then the connections past on races before the BC Cup because they knew the horse had issues.

Not correctable as showing up in next race(s) soon by adding equipment, say shadow roll or mouth ring etc. 

They took their best shot by seeing what he had in BC money race. Ran 6th retired. Honestly, I was thinking he would not hit the board. Cause they past races. 

The white mask on the asst. starter loading Holly Bull favorite was noticed at gate time. It was 'after the race that I would go back on YouTube watch and see 2 horse loading and balk with white masks worn by asst starters...and further watch/see the post parade then with outriders and jocks wearing black. 

Not being a horse whisperer can't say how the white mask played in spooking the gate load. Or positivity of mask to finish outcome. Or was it just random that the 2 asst. starters showed up for work and grabbed white masks. Or there is no required color requirement. So as Ali would say I ain't got no quarrel. Would only say that a schooled in the gate and starts colt reacted as such IMO.

  • Edited February 5, 2021 11:17 am  by  DogsUp

From: Plus2lbs


Fo show...


From: DogsUp


Naah. 2nd betting fav won. $2.60 show. $2.40 Show for Holly Bull fav.

Best January Show bet was in $3 mil (race betting historically has show stuffing) purse where 6/5 fav/Knicks Go (my hamburger helper Delta pick here on web in his BC juvey) in Pegasus paid $3.00 to show. Sent it in. While many were betting Derby hopefuls that may never see the twin spires. 

No sweating the colt's performance to hit dah board.

  • Edited February 5, 2021 7:52 pm  by  DogsUp

From: Plus2lbs

Feb-5 sho..

In reply toRe: msg 22

From: Wintertrian


Holy Bull a good race to ignore.  When is last time winner of Holy Bull won a derby.  Forever ago. 
It's a race for speedsters, but they don't have the stamina to go with. 


From: princeofdoc


Good to see your comments again, Winter!

You are of course right, the Holy Bull rarely produces a Derby winner....though Tiz The Law won it last year, and he did quite well after.  Audible won and was a contender....and we can't ever forget Barbaro.

My point being is that strategies change year by year, and you have to look at specific races, not just generalize.  Sure, most of the Holy Bull races are won by more sprinter types.  You can say that about the San Vincente at Santa Anita.  But Nyquist started his year there, as did Nadal.

Does that mean Greatest Honour or Tarantino will necessarily make noise on the TC trail this year?  No..., but they could :)


From: DogsUp


 Close. 2020 Derby fav won Holly Bull ran 2nd in Derby. Did that shuffle step in the Derby stretch and cost him the win.

This crop due to epidemic constraints will leave much to the feel factor come Derby. But for a few. Bouncers and pop-ers.

  • Edited February 12, 2021 4:58 pm  by  DogsUp