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Fla Derby   Triple Crown

Started 3/21/21 by Plus2lbs; 3763 views.
In reply toRe: msg 17
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

3/27/21

Wintertrian said...

I was wavering between Collaborate and Known Agenda for the win..... decided to go with KA, I am not ready to put $$ on Collaborate with only 2 maidens under his belt

Nice to be right once in a while.   :)  right Chief? 




I had looked over past races and horses that won the races that the favorite won didn't win the FL Derby.  I figured he was due to lose one. That's why I said "he doesn't HAVE to win this."   I needed the win for a contest pick, so that's really only reason I looked at the race.  other race was the jeff ruby, everyone pretty much had Tarrantino......boy he sure didn't do well at all.  Dead last.   I didn't get that one right either though. 

 

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

3/27/21

Did you see the Interview with Ortiz before the Race ?

Last race when he stopped he was taking Dirt in his face and didn't like it

and he moved Honour to the outside in the clear and he took off running.

Today I'm taking a good break and moving to the rail where he will take dirt

to help him run thru it. In a 20 horse field you never know where you will draw

and he needs to run thru dirt. Only thing he was flat this time when he ran in the clear.

I'm nuetral if that helped him or not. Might be gun shy.

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

3/27/21

As I have already noted, I am not wagering the KY Derby.     

I will keep saying it as long as I have to, Baffert has essentially ruined racing with his clones that all run the same, and I suspect that is what steve roman started to see when the sire and mare profiles no longer made sense.    

Did you guys see that Merneith tested + for Dextrophen in July and the excuse this time was the mother of all excuses, that the groom was fighting covid-19 at the time and was treating his persistent coughing  with cough meds that had that in them."   

Nobody grooms horses while coughing their heads off from covid-19, and if they ARE working with that kind of illness, then there REALLY IS SOMETHING WRONG with Baffert's barn anyway.  I'd like to know more about "the working conditions" there but I'm sure he'll just get a pass on that, too.   

But how many f'ing contamination stories are we going to have to listen to?     This should be an outrage at this point, yet racing fans are just cluck, cluck, clucking.      What, did the horse lick the groom's lips after he took Daquil?   Give me a break.  Least of which people are not even supposed to be working with covid-19......they are supposed to be QUARANTINED.  Apparently, you don't get a day off even with Covid at the Baffert barn???  Why wasn't the health department there?


Life is Good, Concert Tour, fill in the blank........does it really even matter?   This trainer will take any well-bred horse from ANY sire and they will run wire-to-wire.    They all look the same, they all run the same.  As a friend of mine has noted, this trainer has destroyed the purity of the sport.     


Oooh and ahhh all ya want over his horses.  It's not their fault.   He's souping them up.  Everyone knows this and nobody wants to put the brakes on.  Rich owners.  And Baffert gets a % of the breeding rights.   What's not to like?  

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

3/28/21

I'm sure there is something to what you are alleging.....his barn certainly needs monitoring.  But all his horses are not performing.  Spielberg certainly didn't, nor did Freedom Fighter....or several others.  Yes, he does get some well bred horses, more than his share, and he does get some of them to perform excellent at the right time.  So it's a mixture, but I wouldn't agree that he has ruined thoroughbred racing.  Let's see who wins this Derby, we're still a ways off, and there is some good running to watch!

Plus2lbs

From: Plus2lbs

3/28/21

The good ones make it look easy..

SEE HERE..

WTG Winter...

Gerh

From: Gerh

3/28/21

It seems like every year Baffert produces the same type of runner regardless of pedigree.The numerous drug infractions are bad enough but the BS excuses offered by Baffert are ridiculous.But you are right;Baffert has not ruined the purity of the sport.Thoroughbred racing,through its inaction and complacency has already done that

In reply toRe: msg 33
Plus2lbs

From: Plus2lbs

3/28/21

Scapegoats don't cut it.

Anymore..

In reply toRe: msg 33
princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

3/28/21

First of all, virtually all trainers use Lasix unless they can't due to rules; BB is no outlier there.  Does he include illegal drugs as well, that are masked by Lasix?  Perhaps.  He has been called out, but so have others.  True, the whole sport needs greater accountability, no doubt. 

But it's a completely other charge that BB (or anyone) can somehow create a Derby winner out of a horse without a good pedigree, without good preparation, and without superior athletic ability. 

I just don't buy it

ChiefsCrown

From: ChiefsCrown

3/28/21

Thanks for the kudos on Known Agenda win. I think he'll be live longer (+10/1) shot in the derby. Reminds me of Pletcher's Super Saver from 2010.

Think any of the Jack Ruby Steaks runners have a legit shot of hitting the board in the derby?

In reply toRe: msg 33
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

3/28/21

Gerh said...

It seems like every year Baffert produces the same type of runner regardless of pedigree.

At least someone notices. 

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