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Started 4/18/21 by smartyslew; 25915 views.

From: Oldbettowin


Has anyone translated Rebel’s Romance metric times into 1 3/16 miles or whatever it is?  The UAE Derby wasn’t very fast but visually he looked pretty darned good.  I’m just not sure who he beat besides Panadol and France Go De Ina.  The latter didn’t flatter in the Preakness.  The Racing Post did give RR a 117 for the UAE, one better than Medina got in the KY Derby.


From: smartyslew


I haven't seen anything .



Rebel's Romance ran 6348.425 feet in the UAE Derby in 116.28 seconds (1:56.28). Adjusted to 6270 ft (Preakness distance), which he covered in 114.84 (1:54.84). 

Then there's the issue of timing from the gate with no run-up, which could you deduct somewhere between 1 and 1.8 seconds from the final time.

  • Edited May 24, 2021 8:46 pm  by



I've got one somewhat similar to this.  I look at haplotype E and L for the Belmont specifically.  L is mostly the higher letters in FF5 and a couple in ff11 I believe.  E is basically FF3.  I do not have any test for 8 but it is one that I look for as it is better in the BEL than the KD as a tailFF


From: smartyslew


Family 8 has many producer  branches ,I like to look for Woodbine, many conduits

trace to her sooner or later. 2004-2007 they were red hot.


From: Wintertrian


Oldbettowin said...

I’m just not sure who he beat besides Panadol and France Go De Ina

You are right, Rebel's Romance does have a nice way of going.  And Panadol isn't exactly chopped liver.  US bred....2nd to Rebel's Romance in UAE Derby. And 1st in the 1900m Al Bastakiya by quite a lot.  He's a monster IMHO and nobody in the U.S. will ever get to see him.  Same breeder bred a  BC F&M Sprint winner and Friend's Lake who beat the pants off Tapit in the FL Derby in 2004.  

In reply toRe: msg 118

From: smartyslew


Edit to correct the Rasmussen Factor from Rock Your World to
Rebels Romance.
rasmussen factor:1 pt positive
 Rebels Romance
RAN BM Sire Line: neutral
Bourbonic, Essential Quality>> Won, France Go
Rebels Romance, Rock your World
21st century
4 Belmont Winners have the ran BMsire line.
2 Ran lines, 2 Mr P's lines 

From: Oldbettowin


Starting with 2019 and going back 20 years:

Sir Winston RAN-RAN

Justify ND-BR

Tapwrit INT (np)-T2

Creator SD (np)-Prince (np)

Am. Pharoah ND-RAN

Tonalist Rib (np)-ND

Palace Malice ND-T2

Union Rags RAN-ND

Ruler on Ice RAN-Buck

Drosselmeyer ND-BR

Summer Bird ND-RAN

Da ‘Tara Rib (np)-T2

Rags to Riches ND-Nas 

Jazil ND-Nas 

Afleet Alex T2-Haw

Birdstone ND-Prince (np)

Empire Maker ND-Int (np)

Sarava ND-GM (np)

Point Given RAN-INT (np)

Commendable Int (np)-DrF (np)

Broodmare sireline:  10 ND, 5 non-Phalaris (2 Ribot, 2 Int, 1 Prince), 4 RAN, 1 BR or Nas.

Broodmare dam’s sireline:  6 non-Phalaris (2 Prince, 2 Int, 1 GM, 1 Ribot), 3 RAN, 3 T2, 2 ND, 2 Nas, 2 BR, 1 Buck, 1 Haw...ND much better in bmsireline.

Non-Phalaris good in either:  9 had an np in one or the other although only 4 in the last 15 years.  np in the bmsireline worked with another np 2 twice, T2 twice, and ND once.  np on the bottom worked with ND 3X, another np twice, and RAN once.

Most often in the bmsireline is ND; worked with another Phalaris 7X and an np 3X in a row 16-18 years back but none since.



From: smartyslew


0-0 stamina contender without a stam chef in 5 gen.1negative pt
Bourbonic, Hot Rod Charlie-2nd  ,1st,.3rd ,4th okok
only one stamina chef- 1negative pt
Brooklyn Strong, Overtook, Rombauer,--3rd
no stam chef-sire side- 1 negative
Bourbonic,Hot Rod Charlie,-2nd
stam chef 4 gen------------------- 1 positive pt   
Brooklyn Strong, Essential Quality, Won, Known Agenda, 4th
Rebels Romance, Rock Your World
dominate  classic pts -1 positive pt 
None, I mean nobody