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Medina Spirit - Positive - Betamethasone   Triple Crown

Started 5/9/21 by SameSteve G; 21040 views.

From: DogsUp


for All FYI

The cost to the State jurisdiction for drug testing/handling/administration, say like NY- NYRA circuit is nearly $5 million.


From: princeofdoc


Good for Mott!  He knows what his intentions were with his horses, and he apparently works closely with his vets.

Baffert, on the other hand, does not communicate clearly, has probably 5x the horses in his barn, lacks the intimate knowledge of what his vets are doing, and thus cannot speak to the public, or regulators, from a position of strength and understanding.

So he will not be competing at CD for a few years.  He will probably have his barn cut considerably.  Hopefully, that will help him going forward....hubris, success, etc. have created a possibly career-ending situation.  But I hope not.  I hope he can cut down his stable, perhaps to only the horses he and his wife own, be more on top of the treatment of his horses by a vet, and return to racing with a different approach.  He's clearly very talented.  It will be interesting to see how he adapts to everything.


From: DogsUp


This event is going to be tied-up for some time.

IMHO I don't think Baffert is going to do a soft shoe walk-back as you mentioned.

Baffert will take the media controversy to The Haskell and have a platform to speak of his side. Owner will throw some cash at it @ 60+% of $3 mil on the table. 1.86 mil-yon.

  • Edited June 9, 2021 3:25 pm  by  DogsUp

From: pianot


Agree 100%

In reply toRe: msg 168

From: DogsUp



The parties can split the sample,  they can't split the baby.

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Looks like judge can get sample to lab under the parties mutual agreement. Or he will decide.

If, OINTMENT is the source:

Then Baffert gets a public publicity pardon for not intentionally administering, if,  2nd test shows the parts per million of the ointment ingredients. This is easy stuff.

Yet, the Kdy/Kentucky racing rules are regardless of the way or means a Derby runner has entered and runs with an illegal drug substance/and tested positive; it is a disqualification offense.

 Yet, but for, he/Baffert knew or should have know his Derby entry's medical drug treatment profile. Prior to the race. And race day.

The should have know that bites Baffert in the rear quarters, where all this started by the way is: He has complete knowledge and experience in this instance of entering runners and winning in the Kentucky Derby. 

He knew....or should have known.

  • Edited June 11, 2021 2:44 pm  by  DogsUp
In reply toRe: msg 169

From: DogsUp


Time for last comment and move on. By the way; video YouTube. Fast forward dead sound.

There is precedent case. Not in favor of Medina Spirit situation.


So new test could clear Bob oversite. 

DQ statisfies everybody else.

Medina Spirit owner out $1.8 mil purse. Sues Bob. Liability insurance has to determine if Bob is/was indemnified in his actions; should it cover the scenario.

Or Medina Spirit's foals are running in annual Derbies while the courts are still hearing the case and the public is disheartened.

Bottom line in business. Gotta'

Check the checker.


From: pianot


I suspect you nailed it as I believe it very well go this route. I suspect Baffman, north did ya get it, wants the full split used for the reason I've read that it gives no other test possible which I've read written by other folks. Can never go back once that is gone.


From: DogsUp


If they ever did screw up the 2nd sample, or it wasn't organic enough to sample; Baffman and owner would lean on not receiving due process. Legitimate rights of an accused. The reason why there is a split sample in the first place.

If they screw up the split. They must acquit. 

Accordingly, why there is so much purpose of transporting and care in the chain of custody.

A  substantial industry outcome in the making is where owners of the winning Derby colts in the last three years was DQed and lost out on the 1.8 million 1st place purse.

  • Edited June 12, 2021 12:57 am  by  DogsUp
In reply toRe: msg 172

From: TexSquared


All I can say is, if Richard Dutrow was suspended by Kentucky instead of New York he would still be training...   I suspect Baffert's legal team gets him out of this one.  It's looking that way already.