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From: smartyslew
5/13/22
Final for message 1107:
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Pars 91 97/89 speed 97 None Peter Pan G3
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run style E races won 38% EP 42%P 12% S 8%, no EP entered
Post bias Rail 19%, 1-3 19%, 4-7 14%, 8+ 0.00
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Early Pace :
Late Pace 99 Western River 94 Electability 92 Complete Agenda 92 Golden Glider 89 State Planning 87 Set Sail 71 We the People 50 Cooke Creek
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Last Quarter 25.40> faster : Electability(E5) 8f- 24.98 L, We The People(E) 2 back ,last g1,8.5f- 24.27-L,
Western River (So) 8.5 f,25.00 Lb, , Cook Creek (P4)N/A 2 bad off tracks No L BG last
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Only Mdn winner: Set Sail, Complete Agenda, Western River,
Cooke Creek 2 G3 71,86,
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Box these 4 or wheel: Set Sail (pedigree play) We The People, Golden Glider, Electability with Cooke Creek
underneath
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Belmont Park - Saturday, May 14th, 2022 9th race Prep for the Belmont
| STAKES. 1 1/8 Mile Dirt. Purse $200,000. Peter Pan S. (Grade 3). FOR THREE YEAR OLDS. Non-Lasix Race pursuant to 4043.2 (7)(e)(5) Lasix not permitted within 48 hours of post time. By subscription of $200 each which should accompany the nominations; $1,000 to pass the entry box and an additional $1,000 to start. For horses not originally nominated, a supplemental nomination payment of $1,000 (along with the entry and starting fees) may be made at any time prior to the closing of entries. The purse to be divided 55% to the owner of the winner, 20% to second, 12% to third, 6% to fourth, 4% to fifth and 3% divided equally amongst the remaining finishers. For original Triple Crown Nominees NYRA will waive the entry and starting fees to the Belmont Stakes for the first two finishers of the Peter Pan. Weight: 123 lbs. Non-winners of $90,000 at a mile or over in 2022 allowed 3 lbs.; of a Sweepstake other than state-bred at a mile or over or two races other than maiden, claiming, starter or state-bred allowance allowed 5 lbs. A trophy will be presented to the winning owner. Closed Saturday, April 30, 2022 with 29 Original Nominations and 1 Supplement. (05:19 PM) (8) |
| PP | Horse | A/S | M/E | Wgt | Jockey | Trainer |
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| 1 | Set Sail E6 2-1-1 | 3 C | 118 | Rosario Joel | Mandella Richard E. 7-2 90 mdn 67 1st L | |
| 2 | Electability E5 3-2-0 | 3 G | 118 | Ortiz, Jr. Irad | Brown Chad C. 7-2 92 Ocl 1st L | |
| 3 | Complete Agenda S5 5-1-1-1 | 3 C | 118 | Ortiz Jose L. | Pletcher Todd A. 8-1 86 mdn 80 1st Lb | |
| 4 | We The People E6 3-2-0 | 3 C | 118 | Prat Flavien | Brisset Rodolphe 3-1 92 Ocl 80 1st 2 back L |
From: cubs.fan
5/14/22
Post mortem look back at prep pace parameters, found this interesting in support of the winner. 4th quarter time in final prep, equalized for ground loss.
Feet Traveled: 4Q-Equ-Time
Mo Donegal 23.24
Rich Strike 23.41
Epicenter 23.74
Tiz the Bomb 23.97
Taiba 24.19
Tawny Port 24.23
Zandon 24.39
Messier 24.42
Zozos 24.55
Smile Happy 24.68
Pioneer of Medina 24.89
Happy Jack 25.08
White Abarrio 25.11
Crown Pride (JPN) 25.27
Charge It 25.46
Simplification 25.59
Cyberknife 25.63
Summer is Tomorrow 25.98
Barber Road 25.98
Classic Causeway 27.33
From: smartyslew
5/14/22
Sweet pick Raes, I thought the field would be more competitive, by far the best in here.
Big challenge next if he goes in the Belmont. Another case of Jumping up before Summer time
for 3 year olds. The way the breeders are changing, I look for more late bloomers going forward
this summer and I hope its a new trend and saying that, I could be wrong and it might be a 3 or 4
yearly thing.
From: smartyslew
5/14/22
the 3 from the Florida Derby run differently and the element problems and 2 of them forwardly placed
in the Derby and Simplification not, Finishing 4th here and Epicenters style with good splits
Suggest to me the first 4 in the Derby got good rides and or good trips or both. they earned It imo
I like it if a horse can run each split 25.40 or faster when they grow into the 9 furlong splits and or part of growing
only one slow Quarter in a race sometimes is needed because of the pace.. Jenny Rees couldn't figure out how to
do Final Quarter times in 8.5f , even 9f races and others not mentioning any names when Dr Romans formula works better and final 12.70 1/8 final and 25.40 final Quarters are more accurate in hundreds and not using fifths and 13 Final 1/8 is a joke.
They used those numbers and struggled because they were not good a math and came up with 13 second final 1.8
and gave up on final q times. and now many use that systemin or 5/16 time or 3/8 time.
- Edited May 14, 2022 9:46 pm by smartyslew
From: smartyslew
5/14/22
from Message 1111 How they did in the Peter Pan today
Winner We the People wired the field: won by 10 1/4 lengths
| 233, :471, 1:111, 1:353, 1:481 (:23.66, :47.24, 1:11.25, 1:35.63, 1:48.27) |
23.66, 23.58,24.01, 24.38, 12.64 Last 1/8 , 1.48.27 final, Last Q 24.83
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Pars 91 97/89 speed 97 None Peter Pan G3
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run style E races won 38% EP 42%P 12% S 8%, no EP entered
Post bias Rail 19%, 1-3 19%, 4-7 14%, 8+ 0.00
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Early Pace :
Late Pace 99 Western River 94 Electability 92 Complete Agenda 92 Golden Glider 89 State Planning 87 Set Sail 71 We the People 50 Cooke Creek
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Last Quarter 25.40> faster : Electability(E5) 8f- 24.98 L, We The People(E) 2 back ,last g1,8.5f- 24.27-L,
Western River (So) 8.5 f,25.00 Lb, , Cook Creek (P4)N/A 2 bad off tracks No L BG last
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Only Mdn winner: Set Sail, Complete Agenda, Western River,
Cooke Creek 2 G3 71,86,
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Box these 4 or wheel: Set Sail (pedigree play) We The People WON, Golden Glider-2nd, Electability 3rd with Cooke Creek
underneath
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$10 per 50 cent unit cost $12.
- Edited May 14, 2022 10:20 pm by smartyslew
From: Oldbettowin
5/15/22
I must not be good at it either because I just got RS’ final Q in the Jeff Ruby at 24.99. Of course I didn’t even look at him before the derby so it wouldn’t have mattered.
- Edited May 15, 2022 2:09 am by Oldbettowin
From: RAESFAN
5/15/22
Dangerous style for the Belmont! If he can set a moderate, fairly uncontested pace, he could easily hit the board!
From: smartyslew
5/15/22
the Lasix used Runners carrying 126 pounds and their Last Q time
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17-29.37,18- 31.93,19 33.16
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19 Pioneer Of Medina *L 33.16